Babe, What Do You Know About?
Babe, What Do You Know About?
Harris or Trump?
Join us as we kick off with a lighthearted personal story about prepping for surgery, setting the stage for a deeper exploration of the current presidential race. With Joe Biden stepping down, Kamala Harris is now the presumptive Democratic nominee challenging Donald Trump. This episode promises a nuanced dialogue tailored to foster empathy and understanding across the political spectrum.
We break down the allure of Donald Trump's leadership, examining his assertive foreign policy moves and his unconventional relationships with global leaders. We discuss why his anti-establishment stance continues to resonate with many voters, despite the polarizing rhetoric that has marked his tenure. This chapter also delves into the complex decisions conservative voters face, weighing their values against concerns about Trump's authoritarian tendencies.
Switching gears, we turn our focus to Kamala Harris, scrutinizing her policies, public persona, and potential to succeed in the general election. From her centrist stances to her historic candidacy as potentially the first female and female and black president, we analyze the challenges and opportunities she faces. We also tackle the subconscious biases at play and how they might affect her electability, ultimately offering a balanced perspective on what her presidency could mean for America's future.
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Speaker 2:and Taylor. Each week we dive deep into a new subject, blending fun and seriousness to push boundaries and buttons.
Speaker 1:Get ready to expand your knowledge, challenge your perspectives and have a blast along the way.
Speaker 2:So my boss in our one-on-one meeting today was kind of asking me because we were planning for my time off for my surgery on my ankle next week and he was like so have you ever been on like narcotics or anything like that, because they have side effects and stuff? And I was like I don't think. So I don't think I've ever taken narcotics ever.
Speaker 1:Have you had your wisdom teeth out?
Speaker 2:Nope, I have only one wisdom tooth and I still have it in my mouth.
Speaker 1:I didn't grow any other ones tooth and I still have it in my mouth. I didn't grow any other ones, I think the last time I took anything was. I had the sinus surgery, the deviated tips and whatever, and yeah, I don't add. To be honest, I don't know why people would ever use those recreationally.
Speaker 2:It's bizarre to me I have to say you're prickly on those things as well. Of course you're not feeling well and blah, blah, blah, but my brother also gets prickly on those as well. So hopefully I don't get that way and I don't know actually what they will prescribe me. To be honest, Don't know if they'll prescribe me narcotics, Anyway. I've just never had a surgery before, so very don't know what to expect at this point. But I'm just glad you're here and I'll take care of everything.
Speaker 1:It's the foot surgery.
Speaker 2:The ankle. Well, yeah, I have a chipped piece of ankle bone that's been lodged in my joint that needs to be removed, which is why Well, yeah, yeah, I have a chipped piece of ankle bone that's been lodged in my joint. That needs to be removed, which is why I couldn't train for the half marathon. I think we've talked a little bit about this, but since then I'm getting surgery. So how many surgeries have you had, like where you've been put under? Just a few.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:Like three maybe. Three did you have wisdom teeth? Yeah, did you get taken out. Uh-huh, did you get put under for that?
Speaker 1:oh, do you hear?
Speaker 2:yeah, sorry, sorry, there's a kid's little. There's a kid's little bowl under the table that my foot's playing with. It's down his face.
Speaker 1:I thought I was going crazy for a second.
Speaker 2:Nope, just a little fairy running around the house. Three, and you were put under for your wisdom teeth.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've just never been put under for anything. I've had minor surgeries and stuff. I've just never had a scheduled anesthesia any of that. So I think four times four times so wisdom teeth tonsillectomy twice on tonsillectomy oh, twice, yeah. Second one got me yeah, sam sam died guys. We'll have to have you talk about that sometime that's a great story.
Speaker 2:But today is, I think, going to be an interesting one, just because so many ways we could tackle it. But we thought with Biden I mean, that's big news, biden dropped out of the presidential race here in the United States over the weekend, on Sunday, and it seems like Harris is pretty definitively going to be the nominee for the Democratic Party. So we thought, well, you kind of came up with this topic. What was your motivation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, since we now know that it's going to be Harris versus Trump, I thought it'd be good to kind of talk about the pros and cons of each candidate. But part of it is kind of to stretch our own personal opinions on things on like, hey, why would someone vote for other candidates even though you know you might be more conservative or more liberal? There's obviously reasons why someone will vote for Trump, regardless of x, y and z, and vote for Harris, you know again, regardless of x, y and z of her. So vote for Harris, you know again, regardless of X, y and Z of her. So I thought we'd talk about the pros and cons of each one because I think it could create a little bit of understanding, because we're going to have friends and family that vote for candidates we don't vote for. So I thought it'd be good to kind of remind ourselves that it's not just that you know someone else is completely crazy for voting one or the other.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's a good. It'll be interesting Because as I was coming up with my pros and cons list for each one, I was like this kind of depends on your opinion on this specific issue, whether it's a pro or whether it's a con. So I'm sure we'll talk quite a bit about that. Sounds nodding.
Speaker 1:My neck is so sore from nodding so hard right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so how do you want to tackle the conversation?
Speaker 1:Why don't you go first? I'm actually very curious to hear about what your pros are, because this would be the hardest part of what your pros that you can see for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay. So I am probably going to try and tackle this. I'll start with, like the pros that like if I were to say like Taylor were to say this is maybe a pro, that's what it would be, and then I'll maybe talk about a few that I think like if you believe a certain way on a certain issue, why it would be a pro. So the one one is from and a lot of this. I just tried to just read trump's time interview from a few months ago to just try and get a picture of how he plans to spend his second term should he be elected. And they. He was asked about the, the american reporter that's been imprisoned in russia and over the last week has been convicted, and he was asked about that. And he said Trump said he would get him released if he were the president. So that's a pro. I mean I'm innocent reporter in Russia If he, if what he says is true that he could get him released then that would be dope.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 1:Go on Any other other, any thoughts on that? I feel, I feel you're starting small, yeah. Yeah, I mean it's not small to that guy. But yes, yes okay, one human being, yes okay.
Speaker 2:So and this is, I think, maybe again a little more of a debatable whether it's a pro or a con, but he does have. Trump has a more transactional approach to foreign policy, which I think sometimes can be a good thing because he can sometimes get like his interests done and, and you know, I think the the the pro is hopefully that those are representative of the american people's interests, but it could be a con in that there's just like a lot of complications and nuances and relationships with foreign policy that you can't just treat it like transactional, like that you have to be able to have a deeper trust if you have allies that you're working with in the world. So, depending on how you view foreign policy, that's a pro that he just kind of doesn't give a flying whatever. He's just going to do what he thinks he should do.
Speaker 2:One thing that I did find that was interesting was that apparently there's been a rift between him and benjamin netanyahu. I'm going to read up this section from the times article. It says of trump even his support for Israel is not absolute. He's criticized Israel's handling of its war against Hamas, which has killed more than 30,000, this was at the time Palestinians in Gaza and has called for the nation to quote get it over with. Close quote when I asked whether he would consider withholding US military aid to Israel to push it towards winding down the war, he doesn't say yes, but he doesn't rule it out either. He is sharply critical of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was once a close ally. Quote I had a bad experience with Bibi. Close quote Trump says, in his telling, a January 2020 US operation to assassinate a top Iranian general was supposed to be a joint attack and Netanyahu backed out at the last minute.
Speaker 2:Joint attack and netanyahu backed out at the last minute. And he blames netanyahu for failing to prevent the october 7 attack, when they infiltrated the southern israel and killed nearly 1200 people amidst acts of brutality. Trump says quote it happened on his watch. So I, you know, for me, I think what's happening in Palestine and in the in Gaza, I should say, is horrific and horrible and if he has this approach, that like, hey, you're gonna like Trump's opinion of wherever it's coming from, his opinion of Netanyahu is lesser and he's not super happy and he's blaming, you know, netanyahu, in part at least, for what happened on october 7th and maybe his less diplomatic attitude towards israel and towards netanyahu specifically, I should say rather, maybe that would push the war to end sooner. I don't know, but I would hope for that.
Speaker 2:So interesting I haven haven't been. I understand why things have been so tiptoe-y with Israel, with Biden, but I don't like it, so that's any thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:No, I think that's interesting, that one he's taking that approach and two that's you know, equality, that's you know.
Speaker 2:At least in this case.
Speaker 1:In this case it's like yeah.
Speaker 2:At least the outcome is something I would want at least. And then the, the last one I have. That's like for me, and again it's debatable, but he does objectively. He has a projection of strength up from the united states and he is very prepared to use it when necessary against his enemies. Again, just whether that's good or bad is kind of debatable, but it could be good, it could be a good protection for the American people from its enemies.
Speaker 2:For someone to just be a lot more like nope, and you know I don't- know, that's dangerous and scary in a lot of ways and I think, personally, my sorry, that was an accident and I think, personally, my my sorry, that was an accident. The jingle- was an accident. It was an accident that time. My like worries of his, his judgment and how he would handle these things are very low and so therefore, like they're not quite pros for me, but if he could like wrangle it and make it be like normal behavior to do those things like, I think they could be pros and I can see why people would consider them pros.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so those for you are not like the hey. If you you have a whole separate list of, if you believe in these values or these policies, then that would be a pro for Trump. That's coming next.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, why don't you? We go to yours and then we can come back to the like, so I didn't separate my list.
Speaker 1:No, that's fine, okay.
Speaker 2:I bet you a lot of stuff you're going to bring up is like on my other list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably I can just speak to it then. So, yeah, I'll speak to the positives of Trump, I think. Originally, I think Trump came in as a candidate that was anti-establishment, which is interesting because he's a billionaire but he had a history of supporting Democrats and Republicans, so he came across as pretty centrist in terms of his past and also was not part of the political elite. Obviously he was part of the elite.
Speaker 2:Financial elite.
Speaker 1:Financial elite. But it was like, oh, hey, by the way, and it seemed like the way he presented elite. But it was like, oh, hey, by the way, and it seemed like the way he presented all the information was like, hey, by the way, I'm revealing, I'm pulling back the curtain on just how dirty washington is, because I'm part of the dirt. And everyone's like, oh, interesting. So there was a lot of like people that were very tired of politics.
Speaker 1:As usual, like we're so sick and tired of like, hey, politicians are over there, untouchable, unreachable, and they have their own inner circles and we'll never get to touch. And it felt like you could identify with Donald Trump because you're like, oh, he's a business guy.
Speaker 2:Just a normal guy. Just a normal guy Speaking the way normal people speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So outside of the policies, it seemed like Normal people speak. Yeah, so outside of the policies, it seemed like, oh, this is going to be an anti-establishment, maybe a small government, maybe a wild card, maybe, like you know, shake it up kind of. You know, let's change the status quo because we don't like the status quo. Status quo sucks.
Speaker 2:But this election, but this election, not so much.
Speaker 1:I feel like a lot of that has faded away and very much he is seen as the and again this is not on just policies, but seen as the champion of the Christian rights, so which I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Right, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1:We've talked about it, but that's like so if that's how.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're like pro-Christian conservatism for some reason, like you might like him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, exactly because he has done things during his presidency to push conservative power and conservative laws, so obviously a lot of federal judges, a lot of and a couple supreme court justices or conservatives, so he's delivered on conservative promises. So basically he's seen as someone that can win and if he wins that means more of your things that you want will come in into law. So if you want lower taxes for the wealthy and you believe in trickle-down economics, then yeah, that's your guy. If that's the most important thing to you in your hierarchy of reasons you vote, he's going to be the guy that does that. There's not going to be lowering of taxes if any sort of Democrats in particular for Harris you're going to see an increase in taxes for the wealthy.
Speaker 1:With Donald Trump, you're going to see deregulation. So, again, if you are in corporate America or have large companies, that's a very good sign for you to think that your ability to expand and grow is going to be a lot easier with deregulation. So, again, if you're a capitalist, you might be thinking hey, that's like again my hierarchy of reasons. I vote. Donald trump is your person and and one of the specifics on the conservative value things is going to be abortion.
Speaker 2:So if you're, I was gonna say, if you're anti-abortion, yeah yeah, what's the pro-life?
Speaker 1:so if you're, pro-life. Call it that for a reason, yeah, so if you're, if you're pro-life, you know and you don't believe that?
Speaker 2:if you're anti-abortion, then he's gonna. He's gonna do his best to make sure that that's okay.
Speaker 1:So if that's like a big thing for you, then that's your person, yeah exactly, and so for some people that's like the list of their hierarchy of values and you know I I totally understand that and I can respect that there's. You know he's also very much a I'd say not anti-LGBTQ, but I mean he is In ways he is.
Speaker 2:The policies that he and his people push are anti-LGBTQ policies, at least the current version of lgbtq plus.
Speaker 1:so because he's not against like completely eroding any sort of progress that we've made on gay rights, but definitely against transgender transgender rights and also against like critical race theory being taught, things like that, which again kind of social issues, very much leaning on the conservative side yeah, if, if, also, if not, separating church and state is important to you.
Speaker 2:If you want that line to be blurred and church and state to be like together, then this is your guy as well, I think he's also a lot stricter on immigration.
Speaker 1:So if you are a nationalist and you believe that immigration it should be a lot tighter than it is in today's environment, he's your candidate. He also wants to increase the power of our police and so if you, you know so a lot of the back, the blue kind of people will support trump.
Speaker 1:Bad day too yeah, just with sandra massey's so I think murder that happened so those are a lot of the the pros, a lot of the pros, depending on your yeah, exactly so I think I think I'm looking at my list here. I mean, I pretty much covered the generalities of it, but that's, that's like the general pros. What about the cons? Or do you want to talk about the pros of camilla harris? So let's just focus on trump and we'll get to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay let's do kamala or let's do trump. Okay, so here are some cons, you ready so ready okay, convicted felon con for me that's weird I know right agent competency oh yeah, very old and questionable competency as on top of that well it.
Speaker 1:So just to put a like, I know we'll get to it with Biden, but it was literally like one of my frustrations that I've been very vocal about with having Biden run again was just like the dude's old. The dude's, like biden, is struggling um and so and that's not like it.
Speaker 2:It's not a judgment against him as a person, it's anyone. What like this job is so freaking, stressful for anyone? Yeah can you imagine being in your 80s?
Speaker 1:I. I just don't think we want the leader of, like, the strongest uh country in the world to be someone that is geriatric, yeah, that is starting to have his mind and body fail on him and you. It's. It's hard, it's hard to do it's hard to watch that, yeah yeah, it's hard to feel trust in the office yeah that for me it was the biggest frustration, and I can't tell you how happy I was to hear that he had chosen to drop out. Not who's next.
Speaker 1:I was just the fact that he was like I'm dropping out, I'm like two thumbs up, I'm so excited. Yep, like I, I wasn't a fan of having both these old people running to be the president.
Speaker 2:Yeah so the same, the same like arguments that I think the right would throw against biden as far as his age and competency. They apply to trump as well. Yeah, as contemporaries of each other and people with. Biden was actually a lot more open with his medical history and medical issues than trump has been, so we just don't know. Yeah, so that's a con for me.
Speaker 2:Um, he's also currently riddled in cases and fines against him. So, first of all, that's just a money waste. I'm like, where do you think your money's going? It's going to this, and people, I guess, are happily paying for that.
Speaker 2:But, like that's, these things don't and shouldn't just go away when someone becomes the president and for someone to be in this many not just like these are criminal cases. You know, it's an absolute con for me. I just I'm like, of all the people in America, like that's, we can do better than that. So you, you, that should be like a minimum. Like you should be involved in criminal cases whether you're found guilty or not. Like it shouldn't. I don't think it should be a question, especially when some of those cases have to do with insurrection and loyalty to the country that you're supposed to be leading.
Speaker 2:So con for me and included in that I just kind of january 6th involvement, the the threat to democracy that he poses, whether whether that that threat is is imminent, or whether that threat would be like well-founded and would come to fruition, that's a question you just don't know. But the threat is is imminent or whether that threat would be like well-founded and would come to fruition, that's a question you just don't know. But the threat is enough for me to be like no, just don't think I'm gonna dip a toe in the. Maybe this might change the entire face of the democracy in this country. Not, not for me, con for me.
Speaker 2:And yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's makes sense some other things that he spoke about that he is interested in doing should he become the president is migrant detention camps, mass deportations, and that, to me, brings up human rights concerns. I don't have any problem with tightening up the immigration process. As two immigrants ourselves, we know how ridiculous it is, but that's not a way that I would support to do it. I have massive concerns with the humanity of the way that I would support to do it. I like I have massive concerns with the humanity of the way that he would go about it and the lack of oversight of that. His relationship with russia, slash putin, kind of weird, and I would be concerned about the him pulling support for ukraine and then potentially like allowing this conflict to to expand because of that. So con for me, no nuclear war, thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Rights violations. So for for me, women's rights violations, human rights violations, like there's a lot. You, I think you can be anti-abortion and still understand that the approach that trump is trying to take is a violation of women's rights. He even spoke about things as far as like monitoring women's pregnancies so that you can prosecute them for abortions or miscarriages. That's just like no, no, thank you. Thank you, not at all, you know. So that's it for me. I don't know if you have any.
Speaker 1:I have some more yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh, sorry, I have a couple more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go go go.
Speaker 2:He said that he would withhold funds appropriated by Congress for things he didn't agree with. He would fire a US attorney who doesn't carry out his order to prosecute someone, which would break down that separation. He would pardon convicted supporters of him. He would not aid foreign allies that we have pledged to aid if they don't quote pay enough for their own defense. Close, quote, so pretty much the breakdown of NATO and the alliance against Russia. He would close the White House Pandemic Preparedness Office, which isn't a huge deal to me, but it is just kind of like we're seeing like more illness come around. I think we're going to be just dealing with this for a while. So, and then a couple extra.
Speaker 2:Things are divisive policies and rhetoric. I just it's a con for me. Like I, the divisiveness, the anger, the violence is a con, a huge con, and it's a no thank you from me. And I would say that I think whether someone represented my interests, if the way they were going about it was this way, I don't think I would support them either. The justice, armor of government essentially becoming pundits to the president. Gun policies not a fan of of any of those for me. So that's. It depends on you your opinion on gun and gun. I want to say gun rights. But guns are not people, so they don't have rights. But you know what I mean. Depending on how you feel about guns and policies towards guns like that, that will be a pro or a con for you. For me it's a con violence around elections and democracy. From his phrasing. Let's see, do this. I will read from the times article. It just kind of like illustrates my like unease around this person and then I'll turn it to you. So the reporter writes.
Speaker 2:Towards the end of our conversation at mar-a-Lago, I asked Trump to explain another troubling comment he made that he wants to be a dictator for a day. It came during a Fox News town hall with Sean Hannity, who gave Trump an opportunity to allay concerns that he would abuse power and office or seek retribution against political opponents. Trump said that he would not be a dictator, except for one day. He added I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill. Trump says that the remark was said in fun, in jest. Sarcastically, he compares it to an infamous moment from the 2016 campaign, when he encouraged the russians to hack and leak hillary clinton's emails. In trump's mind, the media sensationalized those remarks too. But the russians weren't joking. Among many other efforts to influence the core exercise of american democracy that year, they did hack the democratic national committee servers and disseminated its emails through wikileaks.
Speaker 2:So, whether or not he was kidding about bringing a tyrannical end to our 248 year experiment in democracy, I ask him don't you see why many americans see such talk of dictatorship as contrary to our most cherished principles? Trump says no, quite the opposite, he insists. I think a lot of people like it. I think that he often says things that have heavy weight and then, when held accountable or faced against it, he'll dismiss it and make it smaller. Oh, it was just a joke. It was just that I just was joking about assaulting women. I was just joking about this and I'm just like you just can't do that as a human being, and especially not as the president of the country.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's my cons it's pretty comprehensive list so I'll see if I can do it in level like order of importance to me.
Speaker 1:I I feel like for me, the very top con of President Trump would be just how much he dials up the intensity of divisiveness and violence in the country, and that's not what I would want in a leader, and it was a frustration before Trump with some inflammatory politicians, but he's done it to a level that I've never seen in my lifetime and it's and it's such a big jump, like if the temperature was a five out of ten before trump, it's now an eight out of ten with trump. It's pretty at least, yeah, palpable, and it and it hasn't just been the rot that has the temperatures raised, but also the left, but I feel like trump is the one dialing it up he's fanning the flame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's sparking.
Speaker 1:He's fanning the. Yeah, it's, it's bad. So like um he, he has a lot of violent rhetoric and like, like I don't know, if you remember, during the debates with biden he was the proud boys situation was pretty extreme at the time yep, and he was asked in that debate, what do you have to say to the proud boys? And he literally said for them to stand back and stand by, like that is the most bizarre thing ever. Basically saying like, treating them like hey, hang out, I'm gonna give you some orders on what to do next.
Speaker 1:Like what are you crazy like?
Speaker 2:that's why january 6th happened is because he whether he intended to or not, which again brings competency questions, but I think he did.
Speaker 1:He made people feel like his soldiers and that they, like, had his permission and his backing yeah, and and when there's like violence on one side and like charlottesville, he was very much like oh well, there's, you know, there are very fine people on both sides and you're like what, what do you mean? Both sides? You have one side that is a violent, racist group and the other side that were victims yeah why, how, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1:And then with the january 6th situation, he literally like, obviously, like flamed it right before and then didn't do anything about it, while they like stormed the capital for literally like half the day. I remember we were just sitting. I was like, when is he gonna say something everyone's like telling?
Speaker 2:please call the the, the national guard, please like, based on the testimony that we've heard since then, like everyone around him was like you're just gonna sit at the kitchen and watch the news, like yeah and he like lost his mind that the vice president at the time wouldn't follow through his orders of to not fill the american people's vote yeah like forgot the term I wish certified certified the election and basically, yeah, I mean, when is the last time we've heard of pence?
Speaker 1:he basically just went into like it's not good violence, yeah and his first remarks to the people that were storming the capital was literally we love you right what the hell I mean. Again, this is someone that is very much happy with the violence oh, yes, loves, yes, loves it, especially if it serves him.
Speaker 1:Do you remember when there was like I think was this BLM or something to do with BLM, and they were protesting around the White House and he decides to bring out the police force and he starts tear gassing Like there's no reason to do this?
Speaker 2:No, and especially like the irony, considering what they were protesting.
Speaker 1:He wanted to basically, yeah, police brutality right. So he wanted to get a photo op with a Bible at the church down the street, which there's no reason to do this so he clears a pathway through the protesters with police I wouldn't say brutality, but with police extreme force. Like it was just so weird so he could just have this walk. Very weird. So, anyways, like this is someone that is like it's like these moments that seem surreal, like you're watching, like a like who wrote this you're watching.
Speaker 2:They're not very attached to reality. Clearly, if someone's writing this yeah, that's kind of how it feels to me, as I'm like feels like it's something that wouldn't really happen that person doesn't really exist, yeah so for me personally that it's a.
Speaker 1:It's a con, because this is someone that I I feel has doesn't actually have your best interest as a voter, and I do not believe he actually supports truly, since, like himself, is motivated by true conservative values, but rather is he is interested in power and it's very obvious with the moves that he makes and the people he uses, and I feel like he's using conservatives for this.
Speaker 1:So, and it puts conservatives in tough spot because like well, do I vote against my quote-unquote enemy, who I know is not going to be supporting my values, but or do I vote for the person that is telling me they're supporting my values and has done some things to support my values, but, however, he is trying to destroy democracy, like I understand the conundrum that it puts you in. Do I vote for someone that wants to murder babies because I believe in abortion? Or do I vote for the guy that wants to, you know, be an authorial, you know bring's going to increase taxes and do all these things that I think are going to be sucky for what I think are good values, but at least I know democracy will continue on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll obey the law.
Speaker 1:To the degree that it's been followed in the past, because I'm not saying politicians on the left are somehow absolved from the crime and the corruption and all the other stuff.
Speaker 2:No freaking Bob Menendez.
Speaker 1:So that, for me, is the very top thing on a con for Donald Trump. The other things are on the next importance, and this has got to do with if you believe in the free markets and you believe in good economic policies, I actually believe Trump is a bad choice.
Speaker 2:In theory maybe not, but in actuality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one of the interesting things that we have in US history and Trump is the most recent example is that our debt has run up more when there's a Republican in office than when there's a Democrat. So that happened under Trump, and it wasn't just COVID spending. Pulled up some data on what was COVID versus non-COVID, versus revenue that brought in versus not revenue brought in, and Trump was something like increased our 10-year debts by like $10 trillion, where Biden has increased its total of $4 trillion. It's quite significantly different. And one of the things that happened under Trump was inflation the inflation that we have experienced over the last few years.
Speaker 1:Inflation the inflation that we have experienced over the last few years it the, the genesis of that happened under trump and begun and increased during the end of trump's term and then has been something that has come up and then is coming back down under biden.
Speaker 2:So I'm not saying biden is some economic genius, but I'm just letting you know that it's a misconception that having a conservative and a republican as a president again a president yeah that you're going to end up with better economic conditions for the general american public yeah, here's the caveat that I would say is that all of these issues every single one that we've talked about, I guess, minus person, specific ones like being a convicted felon, but all of these issues you should be focusing a lot more on your local elections and your state elections, because those are the people who will actually do this stuff or not do it, the president.
Speaker 2:Their focus is foreign policy and so obviously they have an influence over the domestic policies, and especially just the way that Trump did it. He gave himself a lot more influence than historically. But really, if you're focusing so much on the presidency and you're not at all focused on putting the right person in office for your state, that's going to affect your life as an American day to day like a lot more. So that's one thing I'll just kind of throw out there too.
Speaker 1:So I think you covered a lot of it. So that's one thing I'll just kind of throw out there too. So I think you covered a lot of it. But for me those are really the top two. He's very divisive, very scary when it comes to violence and the increase of the executive branch's power, and the other is that I don't believe that he is as strong on the economy as what people hope he would be by being a billionaire, like again. Another example would be like his whole tariffs and his trade wars, everything that he proposes on those things. And then he'll say in the same breath hey, I'm going to increase all these tariffs, I'm going to do all these things that will also increase the cost of everything. That will also push inflation up higher. These are all actions Same with the other economic policies that he's pushing. We will return to a much hotter inflationary environment with what he's promoting, which is we're in a bad spot for that right now we literally can't afford it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're doing everything we can to reduce inflation right now yeah, that's a really good thought and something I should focus more on. I think my my tendency is towards like social issues, but I should. I mean the economy affects those so much so yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's something that we can talk under, maybe, harris, but yeah, like I'm, I'm a big. I think social issues are important, but we won't have any social environment if our country fails, right, you know, like we can't pay our bills. We can't. People don't have jobs, doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, you don't have a job yeah, interesting and a good point.
Speaker 2:Okay, so should we talk about kamala harris? That's yes do you want to take it or do you want me to?
Speaker 1:man, uh, let's start on her cons, how about?
Speaker 2:that? Yeah, because we did that with with trump, so that's great we start with his positives first oh yeah but, oh yes, the switcheroo. Sorry, let's do the old okay, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1:I'll. Do you want to start with her cons, or?
Speaker 2:no, it's up to you. I'll start, I'll keep.
Speaker 1:You seem a little excited, I am excited because I was, I was, I thought I was going to find a lot more. Look, so I'll, I'll, I'll start. I don't I don't have a hierarchy on these, but I'll just from what I can remember through the list I going to start on the personal level first. I find her personality grating, like just her tone of voice, the way she laughs, the way she talks, like I find it grating and it's got nothing to do.
Speaker 2:Are you actually saying that though?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, you can't no.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm talking on a personal level. I'm not saying that the reason not to vote for her is this. I'm just kind of I'm trying to set the stage right now.
Speaker 2:I don't know that you've ever spoken about any of those things for any male candidates, even though their personalities, voices and ways of speaking and laughing are also grading.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't find it great, like, the way Donald Trump talks doesn't grate me. The same way do I find the way he talks absolutely stupid. Yes, I'm just seeing the tone, okay no, no, no, I mean. I'm just seeing the tone. I don't know what it is this is a bit.
Speaker 2:It's just you have to yeah, it's not sexism.
Speaker 1:You have to let me you have to let me finish before you jump to your sexist okay, opinion okay because I'm a white man, because I don't like someone's personality that makes me sexist no, if a woman had said the same thing, I would have also called them sexist. But go ahead I'm a woman that she doesn't like a woman's tone like that the first con that you bring up? No, no, that's not a con. I'm trying. I'm trying to set the stage, because what I'm trying to say is I'm surprised how little I found about her considering that you didn't drive with her exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm sitting at the stage here that I'm surprised that I didn't find a lot, because I find her difficult as as a person, to like so you would assume that there would be more to yeah so like, for example, a politician that I do not find grating on any level would be someone like bernie sanders. Like bernie sanders, just like the sincerity he speaks, the you know the, the way he talks, the way he acts just comes across as very sincere, yeah true like everything about him in terms of that nothing to his policies or anything like that, but she's too politician-y for you she is.
Speaker 1:It's there's what's the word? Vapid or like there's. There's something that's intense here about how like she laughs or how she interacts. There's something weird about it. It's kind of like mitt romney-esque. You know how mitt romney came across as very like, polished and sometimes like this guy, even like what was his nickname? Like slippery mitt romney or whatever. Like this slick mitt.
Speaker 1:No, there was something you're just coming up with stuff now but there was something about him that came across his instance here and that was a big negative for him during his campaign. For me, when I've listened to her, I don't immediately go like, oh, this person's inspiring and oh, like this person's sincere. Like I listen to obama and go like, wow, this guy's like so inspirational. Wow, this guy is like really knows what he's talking about. Wow, this guy is so sincere about whatever like policy he's talking about, or like the value of the american people. Or how about like trevor noah? You listen to trevor noah talk and it's just like you gravitate towards that personality camilla harris doesn't have. That it's.
Speaker 2:Kamala.
Speaker 1:Sorry. So I was genuinely surprised how little I saw, because I had that preconceived, like there's gonna be other reasons why I don't like this person, because I don't like the way she talks. I just it just anyways.
Speaker 2:So what's another example of like someone that has that same vapid tendency that like you would compare to her that you don't like?
Speaker 1:So Mitt Romney was one of them.
Speaker 2:You didn't like how he speaks.
Speaker 1:Like half the time. So there's times when Mitt Romney, when he's not being like a politician and you're like this guy knows what he's talking about this guy like really values what he's doing, Like when he ran the Olympics, like the passion that when he spoke about it and when he was like organizing it whenever he. When I heard him back then I was like wow, when I heard him like at the primary debates, you know, there was just this emptiness in what he was saying okay very.
Speaker 1:It had gone through a lot of polling. You know what? Right, just very over prepared maybe that's not an actual con, I'm just trying to sit again, set the stage no, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2:That's thanks for making it, through my interruption, to make your point yeah.
Speaker 1:So there's actually, there's actually not a lot. So and and I'll tell you some more, because I was surprised by it, because I started to like research, like things that she actually stands for, and I was like, oh, actually I stand for that. And I was like, oh, she's actually a very centrist politician, surprisingly well, because what's that?
Speaker 2:I said like biden yeah kind of like biden.
Speaker 1:So what was interesting is that researching all her policies I could see so here's an actual negative is that as a politician before she became vice president, she didn't stand for pretty much anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just a little too general.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she kind of changed her opinions on some things during the primary process and dropped out very early. She went from like very progressive on some health care things to very centrist. She, you know, as an attorney general, was very centrist in Californiaifornia. So she's like, and you know, when people talk about like how progressive and liberal she was on lgbtq stuff, she's actually wasn't, she's pretty much what. What I would feel like my support of of that is, which is she has focused on the legal aspects of the social movement and not the sometimes I feel like the.
Speaker 2:Like allyship.
Speaker 1:Allyship I'm trying to think of the word Kind of like the group thing. Like hey, culturally, like hey, you have to be in this group to be part of the group. There's a word for it, I'm not remembering it.
Speaker 2:It's like Community, Community, there's a derogatory word for it and I can't remember it okay. So she has been in support of lgbt, pro lgbtq plus policies and laws, though yes, policies and laws yeah but not as, maybe as strong as an ally as the left would probably hope or maybe portray her.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I think because of that she's been painted into a lot of the like, very progressive opinions and places, because she hasn't been very visible during her vice presidency. So she's kind of just been put in that that camp okay so that was actually surprising.
Speaker 1:Um, I thought I was going to be like she's too progressive, that's what I thought was going to happen, and she she actually hasn't shown to be in how she's led and how you know things she fought for as an attorney general. She's not super progressive and I'm a centrist, you know, when it comes to social things, so I felt like that was actually something like. Again, I'm surprised how little I was finding.
Speaker 2:It is. That makes sense why? Because, again, previous Donald Trump was pretty centrist, slash moderate as well. And it makes sense why he himself donated to her attorney general campaign when she was attorney general. Kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So some of the negative things, though like actual negative things, is obviously, I do feel like she is very strong on increasing taxes across the board, which is good, again, for spending and for having, you know, money for social programs. I do feel like, though, if you're not careful with that, you can stifle the economy. I I don't feel like she has a strong enough history and supports of health care, a universal health care, so she she was supportive of, like medicaid for all, but she flipped on that very quickly okay, interesting, is that your list?
Speaker 1:that's pretty much my list. So besides her just not really being like having like actual core beliefs yeah, just being like a little flighty with the wind yeah, like very much like a, like a traditional politician of like does this this person's just whatever will follow Whatever is popular yeah whatever will get me elected, and so there's a little bit of that and I don't like that. But yeah. Yeah, okay, genuinely surprised, okay, because again.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised I have more than you. Yeah, yeah, because I yeah, anyway. So a couple of mine it depends on this is a kind of it depends on whatever but negative associations with the Biden administration. If you didn't like Biden, she's pretty much she's gonna hang her hat on the same stuff that he was, and so if you didn't like that, you're not gonna. That's a con for you. The Biden's health thing If his health is not good to the point and I don't know that that's necessarily why he dropped out. He dropped out, I think, because people called for him to do so and it was clear that. But it's possible that there were health complications that did kind of put his competency at risk, and if that's the case, then she helped to protect him and to cover that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say that's part of her just being a politician.
Speaker 2:I don't know what else she could have done. I mean, what, what I don't know that I would have like how? How could you really expect anything different? But at the same time that just sucks to think about if that was the case. And again, that's an if, but that's one thing, let's see.
Speaker 2:Another con is that she's not. She doesn't seem to be that much stronger of a candidate than Biden. So Biden's kind of a low bar for people. And I think if you're a Democrat, especially if you're a liberal, and you're like, well, if we're going to all this trouble not to go with Biden, why would we not nominate? Like surely we wouldn't just nominate his vice president, like kind of as a default. So that depends, right, if if things like her being younger, her being competent, her being healthy, her being whatever, are more important than it, then that doesn't matter as much. But if their policies are the main thing and they're very similar and you're like, well, you're just kind of replacing one for the other, yeah, it's a con, you know yeah, I kind of feel like she's like democrats, generic blank template candidate you know, what I mean like.
Speaker 1:That's what it feels like it's. It's just, it's not biden, it's not trump.
Speaker 2:That's what camilla harris represents right now, and but with a democrat name next to her yeah, and I will say, as we get into her strengths, like there is more to it than that, but that is how it feels. To people that just don't know her that well, yeah, I think, or even some people who do. Let's see the fact that she will likely be the nominee without a primary election, like making that the case. That's kind of a con, because it's it's not, like it's not representative of what the people wanted, because the, the liberals, were calling for this change and they asked for it, but they didn't necessarily get to just choose her.
Speaker 1:Yeah so I agree with that in terms of how it was initiated, but I think, with how much money has been raised over the last 48 hours, I think that has shown that it actually, I think, people are voting with their money to show that, hey, yes, we do support this change and the decision that was made.
Speaker 2:yeah, and then let's see. Here's a quote from an article that I think will just kind of set up what I'm about to say, which is that latent or what is it? Subconscious sexism and racism among voters is a worry. So, and this is what the this person says, this is, I don't know that a lot of people want to admit this, but I think there are a lot of people who are uncomfortable with a black woman being the president, or a woman or a black person, or in the fact that she's kind of both. And so, for you, if you do have those concerns, if you're like I don't know that a woman should really be making these decisions like she's, a no for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for me to speak on that is I don't understand why someone would care at that level, whether it like, whatever someone's race is, or whatever their sex is, or gender or sex. I don't I agree, I, I don't, I agree, I don't. I personally don't get it. I see her as camilla harris, the democrat nominee, and like who gives a shit if she's in whatever?
Speaker 2:no, I agree, but the unfortunate reality is that some people do, in fact, like. Even with the secret service debacle, with trump's assassination, a lot of people were like well, it's because you had all the female secret service agents that made you know what I mean. So people do still like, think this, whether they perceive that as sexist or where they're intended to be sexist, it is sexist. And my worry as and this could be a con just for like the election not really her, but like her electability is that like people will now resort to sexist things to be like. Don't vote for her.
Speaker 2:She's over emotional, she has a fake laugh and a bad tone of voice. She is a baby murderer, which Biden had the same abortion policies as her and no one really called him that. It is like a more like sexist. Like you can vilify a woman. Oh, she's not a. She has doesn't have her own children, which she does. She has two stepchildren, but she's never birthed a child and therefore, why should she be running the country, which is ironic because none of the men have ever birthed a child. You know, like it's just people are saying stuff like that and that does affect the electability of like and and it. It will like bring down the caliber of our ability to like debate these politics from a policy level, which is, I'm like there's plenty to to criticize from a policy level, so like let's not do this, but people do, and so that sucks dude.
Speaker 1:I find her so the opposite of someone that I would consider emotional. She's like the literal opposite of. I'm probably more emotional than camilla harris. She literally seems like like she's was an attorney general like she, she's like the and and my. My actual first like concern with her is that she doesn't actually is, she doesn't actually stand for anything because she isn't emotional about like. Yeah, I truly believe in this thing and so, yeah, no, I wouldn't hold the fact that someone would say that about camilla harris would be is like. I'm not saying it doesn't and won't happen. It's just the fact that there'd be so wrong about it. Yeah, what is frustrating, and the fact that they'd be so wrong about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it is frustrating. And the fact that she's going to need to pick her VP as a white male, because you can't have too much progress, you can't have too much diversity, it's got to be a straight white man because, like, actually, that sexism, that racism, that prejudice against LGBT, it is there, whether it should be, whether people are aware of it, it will affect, like we're like, well, no, that's too crazy. Then our country's going to look like this and this and that, and so that I think affects the electability is that she, she kind of has to like undiversify herself as much as possible, which is freaking lame, and it does make it so that I think she can only be less personable by like not leaning into that culture, I guess, or that piece of being, whatever.
Speaker 1:Which is kind of funny. So, again, this is my very limited view on it because again, she's had so little visibility and then so, on top of that, my window to that visibility has been even smaller when I the videos and the content that I have seen on her. Like culturally, like barack obama came across as a lot, a lot more like black culturally, like you know, just with his mannerisms, where he spoke, the, you know, like the, the things that he spoke about was very much about black culture. Camilla harris doesn't seem like that at all, like at all, like at times, you like you forget that I'm saying is I forget she's black, like that's.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is I think she like kind of has to do that, or feels like she has to because I could see that not only because, just in general, that that the, the race is like a factor, but on top of that she's a woman, so like if you're gonna be different in any way you kind of have to be choosy about I think that's it. I think that's contributing. At least that's the total assumption on my part.
Speaker 1:Well, no, that would make. That could be why that would make sense. Why she comes across as so insincere and so much as like a blank canvas or something that doesn't stand for something is because she's worried about standing for something. Yeah, Because people will.
Speaker 2:yeah, just her demographics, unfortunately, push her into this this people's view of it, or how much they will or won't respect it, or or view what she's actually saying versus how she said it.
Speaker 1:And the irony of what you're saying, though I think the best VP candidates and I've been saying it since the dropout was like oh, I think the best vp candidates- and I've been saying it since the drop I was like oh, please pick mark kelly and he's a straight white male and he's bald and he's bald. I don't know why that's important, but he's uh, so I mean he's literally.
Speaker 2:I know an american hero.
Speaker 1:He, like I was telling you all about gabby giffords. I was like go research gabby giffords. She's like a legend and the fact that that he's married to Gabby must mean something, because you know she's like yeah, she's badass, the bomb yeah. And that was even before her assassination. Survival, because she literally had her. She was shot through her head and survived. Astronaut fighter pilot.
Speaker 2:He's a liberal in a super conservative state In Arizona. He's found a way to was be voted to be elected because he's he's, he's actually a centrist.
Speaker 1:He's under the, the, the democratic like party, but he's centrist and that's why people get behind, because he's like, oh yeah, he also please and quote you know, gun rights or rights for guns, or however you said it, um, I, I think he would be the best candidate to pick and yeah, I guess the irony is is that he is a straight white male yeah, he will quote unquote, like normalize or whatever, like differences that she has he will do that, but also he seems pretty dope.
Speaker 1:So do you remember when mccain picked palin, what I think was like the worst vp pick, like it was such a dumb decision?
Speaker 2:he did it to appeal to women voters I'm like there's a lot of women you could have picked the friend palin you know that'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 2:And then the last like kind of con that a lot of people are bringing up is like oh, kamala harris is like imprisoned thousands of black men when she was an attorney general in California because of, like trumped up marijuana charges as part of blah, blah, blah, not true? I don't know if you knew that the amount of people so the amount of people that she ever prosecuted is less than 2,000. And the amount of people that actually went to prison 45. So that's still not great, but like that assumption that she just like was throwing black men into jail for like this really dumb reason isn't really accurate.
Speaker 2:So so this again goes back to my surprise oh, because that was one thing you're going to talk about.
Speaker 1:There was so many things I was going to talk about in terms of like, and I was going to like, like, attack this thing and attack this thing, and just kind of like with trump. I was going to have my reasons and I was like this my biggest reason is that she's she doesn't stand for a lot like she's, which not necessarily a bad thing, but it did make me go like she's.
Speaker 2:She's comes across as insincere and a lot of people will say, like when laws and stuff change, she wasn't like on the front lines trying to overturn things and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, I can see her like reasonably thinking, like, but that's not really my role and not necessarily be on the front picket lines for everything, but yeah, so that's maybe a con for you, but hopefully the con is at least based in reality of like what actually happened there.
Speaker 1:So on to strengths, sure tell you what I will start and I'll go on the on the flip side of me, saying that she comes across as very sincere and the way she talks bothers me. She is very smart, she is exceptionally smart, and when she's talking about something that isn't like her beliefs in something because that's the sincerity comes out, but when she's talking about things that's like policy, policies and experiments, analyzing things, yeah she's, she's exceptional. She's obviously very smart, very capable, now very experienced, so that that is definitely a pro.
Speaker 2:So yeah her, I would say her. Her speaking skills have improved just since becoming the vp like compared to her original election.
Speaker 1:But well again, because I was going back and watching those things and it definitely seemed like she struggled in in in those moments, because I don't think she had something that she truly had a core belief in and she was trying to straddle both sides and a lot of like political opinions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I feel like this time, with biden being the vp and being attached to an administration, has like helped to form a foundational backing of like okay, I at least have these things that are like I, they're my things.
Speaker 1:So I I don't know. This is a dumb thing and trump is hard to understand a lot of the times. Like I mean, I'm I'm not the best public speaker, so it's hard for me to, like you know, poo-poo on someone else's ability to speak in public. But trump struggles and it's difficult to understand and speaks in incoherent incoherent a lot of times. I literally just watched him today for about an hour and it was just like a rambling mess it was. It was bad and for me, a pro that obama had that camilla harris will have.
Speaker 2:Even biden was pretty good like not in debates but in his speeches. I think he did quite well. I don't know if you've ever watched him give a speech but I have um.
Speaker 1:I feel like her ability to handle foreign policy and foreign relationships oh yeah I think um we're going to have more respect across the world in terms of um interpersonal relationships which I think go a long way with um relationships with other countries and a lot of the destabilization we're dealing with. Yeah, no, absolutely I agree okay me, oh sorry yeah, I just kind of interrupted your prose um no, I think you were.
Speaker 2:I was gonna go on some okay.
Speaker 1:So some of her prose. Um, if she continues the direction that she has gone under Biden or with Biden, I guess there are some things that I really think will, some things that will happen under a Harris administration, which would be we've got to, we've got to get rid of our current healthcare system. We've got to get rid of our current healthcare system. It's basically a money printing machine for our insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, et cetera, and we need to move to a very much a universal healthcare system, like most other first world countries, along with just like in every other first world country.
Speaker 2:Privatized options. There's a privatized option.
Speaker 1:So I think we'll be able to move towards that with a Democrat in office, or more likely to. Obviously it depends on what the House and the Senate looks like so that would be a pro.
Speaker 1:I think that's something that she would push for. I do think I have a lot less concern with a country straying away from democracy with harris as a president. Yeah, I also feel like with like we had with biden. He was trying to cool the temperature during his presidency and that's actually what happened. There was a whole lot of years that I just didn't think about what was happening and what did the president tweet?
Speaker 2:now you know like yeah, it was like a relief of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like brain cells, yeah and honestly it has felt like it just has dialed up since the the election cycle started. Um, so I think there will will have a cooling of the temperature with that, and especially since there's no ways in hell trump is he has any sort of importance after that I think it will be a lot of cooling after that, and I'm hoping that the republican party can put together a better game plan for the following four years and actually push for policy over power yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2:I also think supreme court reform is on the docket if she is elected, maybe even before then, but I support that. So, yeah, this is a pro for me.
Speaker 1:A couple other pros her age yeah, massive right, what a breath of fresh air. That is when you I've been what. I watched her speak a couple times.
Speaker 2:She's 59, so she's not like young but comparatively she's literally decades younger than these people, even though she's, I would say, like kind of old. So yeah, age is a plus. Could even be better, but it's good. It's a good mix experienced and not senile.
Speaker 1:I'll take it.
Speaker 2:I do think a pro for her is the prosecutor versus convicted felon narrative. It's a pro for her bid, which she is heavily leaning into Historic opportunity. It is a pro I think it's cool. It's always cool or exciting or interesting when there's previously been zero representation. And then there is some Like it's not a reason to vote for Harris by any stretch because she's a woman, but if she's elected, we will have had ever a female president.
Speaker 2:That's huge for so many girls, so many women. It's a big deal. So, again, not a reason to vote for her, but like that's a. That's a pro for me in that like okay, like I think it's just pushing us outside of this. This is what a president has to look and talk and be like. And pushes us a little more into like well, it could be just what we want it to be. So give us some more different stuff. Like besides the same exact old guy thing. Like it could be a lot younger, it could be. Like it might energize, as it did with like obama. Like the congress looks so different because of the energy that, just like historic opportunity, was presented with Obama.
Speaker 1:I felt like Trump, out of anyone, gave us hope that anyone could be president Stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean put that under the pro. Then she does do a bit better than Biden in the polls Very slight. Then she does do a bit better than Biden in the polls very slight, but she does. So that's like. And and then again, I think if, if people's money is where their mouth is, which typically that is the case it's it's a good.
Speaker 2:If you don't want Donald Trump to be the president of the United States, again, that's a huge pro. And then if she's someone you can get behind, on top of that, she's relatively moderate. So like, as far as like the liberal scale goes, that's a pro, I think, because she actually had, like, she was viewed as a very moderate attorney general who succeeded in California with a tough on crime message, which is again like I think most people are down for. That, let's see. Highly practical pro for her is that she can access the 240 million dollar war chest that Biden had access to as the presumptive nominee for the the party. So that's, it would be scary and worrisome to think that that money couldn't be accessed or things would be tied up as we're getting closer and closer to the election. So that is a pro that she has access to that money and then if protecting reproductive rights is a central policy for you, it's a huge pro. So for me pro and let's see.
Speaker 1:Environmental. Yes, she's going to be a lot more pro-environmental policy, green energy, etc. Versus. I feel like there's been a major push just recently with the Republicans to deregulate around energy and environmental policy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that'd be great Because, just so you know, we're producing more oil and like drilling more oil in the united states than ever before in the history of the united states. So it's not like we're not doing it.
Speaker 2:So whatever, biden is currently the president, so it's.
Speaker 1:It's not like biden has been that great on the environmental policy.
Speaker 2:However it's better than yeah it would be worse yeah, and then the main thing besides again, democracy that we spoke about is just, I think, a big pro for me with Kamala Harris is foreign policy and just whether you agree with, like, how she would approach foreign policy or whatever. The fact that we can be well represented in the foreign sphere is very important. That's literally the president's job, is their foreign affairs. That's their job. She would do a good job, whether you and that's obama did very, very well with foreign policy. The clintons did very, very well. Bush did okay, like there's, but it's very important for you to represent the other our country well to other countries and make us more friends. That's always a good thing, and I think she will do a far better job than trump will would. So that's my list yeah, look there's.
Speaker 1:There's pros and cons to each candidates, obviously. I'm just full transparency. I was someone that wasn't afraid of a trump first term when it was before he had served. After I you know you'd seen all the power grabs and all the continued illegal activities and the violent rhetoric and the are stray from democracy under president trump and just the continued divisive rhetoric serving yeah for me.
Speaker 1:You know I'd rather take a pause on some of the the policies that I would want that would come from the conservative side of our country to like reorient us, and then yeah, reorient it. That's a great way to reorientate, reorientate us. And, um, I feel like harris is a lot more moderate than I gave her credit for, because I just didn't know much about her, I just you know. So I'm kind of surprised by that. I do hope she picks someone again, that's also moderate Hashtag, mark Kelly.
Speaker 1:Hashtag Mark Kelly, like just the fact that we'd have like an American hero in politics, like at the highest level of politics would be great, because I feel like we're missing really good examples of exceptional human beings at the top level of our political sphere, whatever you want to call it. So Mark Kelly would be someone that would represent us, and I feel like he would also bring Gabby Giffords back into the spotlight, which would be great. She's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, full transparency as well. I will like for sure be voting harris unless she could for sure do things that would cause me to not vote for her. But that's just kind of my transparency and just know that that that kind of bias it probably affected the way I spoke about some things. But at the same time, a lot of things we spoke about is the reason that I will be voting for her and not for trump. But I think it's been, it has been good for us to kind of push the limits and be like, yeah, it's reasonable to see why someone would value this and they would vote based on this. Like I think it's been healthy and good to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've said a number of times, I miss some of the moderates across both.
Speaker 2:The left and the right.
Speaker 1:The left and the right, but you know there used to be a decent group of politicians to be able to at least feel like you're only just getting two mediumly bad choices, and having biden and trump felt like it was two bad choices again. Biden was bad mainly because of just his age, like it was right it's failing, and then trump because he's literally on the same know, cutting edge of being so old and crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it'll be an interesting cycle. I'm sure we'll do some more, but hopefully it's been helpful for us to try and speak through some of the things that not only we think, but that people are saying. And let us know on social media what you think. No death threats, please, though. Thanks for listening to the Babe. What Do you Know About podcast?
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