Babe, What Do You Know About?
Babe, What Do You Know About?
Political Convictions
Next, we confront the tangled web of legal troubles surrounding Hunter Biden and former President Donald Trump. With Hunter Biden's conviction on federal gun charges and Trump's myriad legal battles, we dissect political reactions across the spectrum. What does it mean for American democracy when a former president faces criminal trials and claims of presidential immunity reach the Supreme Court? Our discussion delves into these unprecedented legal challenges and their potential impact on the judicial system and beyond.
Finally, we delve into the legal woes of Trump’s close associates like Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Roger Stone. Exploring their convictions, Trump's controversial pardons, and his promises to pardon those involved in the January 6th events, we question the unwavering support he receives from conservatives despite numerous legal and ethical scandals. Tune in as we tackle these thought-provoking topics with personal anecdotes and insights, offering a comprehensive look at the current political landscape.
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Welcome to Babe. What Do you Know About the podcast with your favorite husband and wife, duo Sam?
Tayla:and Tayla. Each week we dive deep into a new subject, blending fun and seriousness to push boundaries and buttons.
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Tayla:Still limping from the whole experience of the half marathon.
Sam:Oh, I was like what experience.
Tayla:The half marathon experience. Yes. So for those of you that don't know, I, sam wilson, made an epic shot, like six months ago, in a little mini basketball hoop inside the house and I said if I make the shot, taylor, you have to do a half marathon. And made the shot. She signed up for a half marathon and then that night, that night, and said hey, do you want to do a half marathon?
Tayla:and made the shot. T
Sam:She signed up for a half marathon and then that night, that night, and said hey, do you want to do it with me? I said sure, and here we are, six months later and one half marathon completed. Yeah, good job we did it.
Tayla:It's a little bittersweet for me to think about, because I did start training like very diligently to be able to like run it and do like a better job and then I found out a few months into that that I have a chipped piece of ankle bone stuck in my ankle joint, irritating it and causes a lot of pain. So that really did halt a lot of the training progress that I made, which made it pretty much no training, and so we just did the best we could. I still want to do it. We paid our money, let's still do it. And we did, and I think I would say we probably ran about half of it and walked about half of it. Is that about?
Sam:Yeah, about 50-50. About that yeah.
Tayla:It was more than I expected to run, so happy about that. Everything was pretty good until the last three miles of 13 miles. That was just painful for me, I think. Like as I walked, I was just like oh, people on the sides are like you've got this. The marathon runners who have run more than double what I've run are like you've got this. As they pass us. Everyone was so nice actually nice actually.
Sam:Yeah, it was great. It was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. I was like, hey, we should do another one. Like honestly, like I'm totally down, yeah, when I have my surgery next month and I recovered.
Tayla:I honestly I think if I gave myself a lot of time, like a year or something, to prepare for it, I would totally do. I would do this one. It was very pretty. I would do this one. It was very pretty. I would do this one again. But the biggest surprise to me was actually just the time of day.
Sam:Oh, okay, that surprised me. That was actually the worst part of the whole thing.
Tayla:I woke up and I was like this is hell and I don't know what we Anyway, you go.
Sam:Yeah, so you wake up at like 3 o'clock in the morning, we have to go to a special parking lot, like past the finish line, and then we get bused to the starting line at 3 am.
Sam:the start is at 6 am, so it's just, and then at the start it's super cold because we're up high, freezing cold but then, on top of that, the way they decided to try to keep us warm was actually to put these really bad like fires together and it was just smoke everywhere. My eyes were burning. I actually burned my leg on one of the mini stoves and I couldn't breathe. I closed. Still smell of smoke after like two laundry washes later so that was actually worse than doing the half marathon it was.
Tayla:That was just. But I had to stand by. I was so freezing cold because I didn't think to like. I didn't want to have to carry a jacket or something with us like through the run. So it was rough and then we started and then it was. You know, after about half an hour I would say I was like okay, I've got this. I was just happy to finish the half marathon in under four hours and we clocked in at three hours and 33 seconds. Sorry, three hours and 33 minutes yeah, that's what I meant.
Sam:Yeah think honestly, if we had just run a little bit more often, we could break three hours.
Tayla:Totally If I and the last three miles, I think costs like an hour, Like the last three miles took us way longer than the red, like our average was 16 miles per hour. That was like with our walking and running was our average and then and then at that point it just slowed down. I was in a lot of pain. I was physically like saying ow, as I ran, my hips, my ankle, my knees were a little. Anyway, I felt old and but we, I kept going and then we ran the end.
Tayla:it's pretty fun yeah, it's a lot of fun didn't expect them to like announce our names as we came to the finish line. That was pretty cool I'm glad we did it together, because when we first like said we're gonna do it, I was like you know what, let me, you know, like, just go all out and see how fast I could do it. And then and I was like that's fine, I totally yeah and that was the plan until taylor got her, you know, basically realized she couldn't train and I was like, well, let's just do it together and honestly, I think I preferred it.
Sam:There was a lot of fun to do it that way, instead of just being a physical thing, it was like a fun thing and it was beautiful. You know, the run was like beautiful down the canyon, so we should do another one together. T
Tayla:I love doing it like let's you know it was a lot of fun. Yeah, I thought you could have done way, way better than us, but and then I did sorry, but I, I liked it too, actually, and I think I would do it again. I do think I would do it again and I felt, honestly, the only I think one of the main reasons it wasn't fun at all for me was because of you. So I'm so grateful. You were so nice, very positive, very motivating. It was awesome. You were just so kind.
Tayla:Aw thanks, Tiff, and made it so easy, so I appreciate that, but it was fun. And then that same day we had our son's second birthday party. We were both like hobbling in or mostly me to the birthday party at the park and just grateful for my sister and some other family members to like play with the kids at the park so that we could just sit. It was a long weekend. It was good, though, and now we have a two-year-old as our youngest. Cute little Maxie, max Sunrise sunset.
Sam:yeah, it was good though, and now we have a two-year-old as our youngest, cute little maxi max.
Tayla:Sunrise, sunset. Are you singing fiddler on the roof? I am, yeah highly recommend it super good. Did you know that I was in that musical? I did do you remember who I was?
Sam:no one of the daughters, I think yeah, oh, what's her name?
Tayla:the middle one that marries the revolutionary, yeah I don't remember anyway, that was a good time. And then my cousins are coming in from south africa on saturday, sunday. I'm very, very excited. They're like talking to me about this stuff they want to do and they, they want to do some fun touristy stuff. But my one cousin has never been. He's 17, he's never been to the united states before and he he's like I want to go to a fast food restaurant and get like unlimited refills of a drink.
Tayla:He's just like cannot understand the capitalism behind that. It's just like how do they not just lose so much money? It's just funny, I'm down, let's do it.
Sam:We'll take buckets.
Tayla:No, it'll be super fun, but I was also like, also, we could go to my job and just get unlimited soda for free. That's yeah, tech companies for you. So anyway, exciting times, good summer so far, good spring. Uh, took a couple, took a week or so off after, so I think the last thing we spoke about was furiosa. Still think about the movie.
Sam:Still so good it was great movie we recommended. Like we've gone out to dinner a few times and we've recommended the movie a few times, we have. Recommended it again.
Tayla:Yes, is it time to talk about our topic for the day.
Sam:Yeah, so this actually might be a short episode. So if, like, you're already seeing the timestamp and it's only a six minute long episode, it's because I think we have pretty definitive opinions on this, so let's just see if there's any interesting facts.
Tayla:Two different things, yeah, oh, do you just as okay? Okay, cool, yes. This is a surprise to me how short you think it's gonna be, but yeah five minutes let's see how it goes, okay.
Tayla:So we're gonna be talking about what I am calling a double entendre on political convictions. So we're talking about two very recent high-profile political convictions, ironically to do with either the family or the people of the main candidates for the United States candidacy for presidency this year. So let me explain briefly both of them and then we can get into some details. So first one was on eight days ago what is that? What's the date? So like I think it was june 3rd donald trump was found guilty of falsifying his business records by saying that, um, a payment to miss dormie daniels was for legal fees, when it wasn't. And jurors listened to weeks of testimony and found him guilty under all 34 counts of fraud under campaign finance laws. Trump has said that the case is politically motivated. Quote this was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial. Close quote he told the reporters after the verdict. So we'll come back into some details, but that's the gist of the first, and today was the other one.
Tayla:So today Hunter Biden was convicted of all three felonies in a federal gun trial. Felonies in a federal gun trial. So he was essentially found by jurors guilty of lying to a federally licensed gun dealer making a false claim on the application by saying he was not a drug user and illegally having a gun for 11 days, and we can get into some details of that case as well in a moment. But generally interesting stuff, kind of unprecedented waters here. There. Neither of them has been actually sentenced. They've just been both found guilty. Neither of them has been sentenced. That's probably going to be a little while before they both are. Both of them face jail time, but I'm doubtful as to whether either of them will actually serve jail time. But either way, babe, what do you know about these political convictions?
Sam:A little bit, just kind of what's in the news and then trying to dig a little deeper in forums and news websites etc. Yeah, so in particular, what I know. I know that the general sense that I get online is that the people in the center, politically in the center and on the left think donald trump, you know, like, yes, good, I'm glad he was found guilty and should face charges and if charges mean jail, go to jail. People on the rights are very opposites and they're saying that what trump?
Sam:is saying they just kind of echo what Trump is saying, which is it's a sham, it's rigged, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Tayla:Just to try to keep him out of the White House.
Sam:Very conspiracy, very much like the QAnon kind of thinking. It's all political theater, which is crazy to me, to me personally, someone that feels like they're in the center and then on the whole uh, hunter biden thing pretty much across the board on the center and the left. I'm hearing this is again, but I can't speak for everyone- that okay. Well, yeah, he's guilty of that. It didn't seem like a big deal, but he should face the punishment for his crime, whatever that be regardless of who he is.
Sam:And then on the right again with the conspiracy theories and the like. You know this is a distraction from the real crimes that you know, joe.
Tayla:Yeah, he's done.
Sam:Crooked Joe and all these other things and that it's. You know, it's something even bigger than this. And, yeah, he deserves a life sentence, which again is crazy because the far right is very much for getting rid of gun laws like this, and so it's just super confusing to me and it makes me feel like you can kind of just take the far right and just throw opinions on this topic out the window, just like it's all garbage.
Tayla:That's a big thing for you to say. I have to say it is a big thing Again.
Sam:not that the far right is wrong on everything, no, but in in these regards yeah, insanity, absolutely, and it's.
Tayla:it's interesting to me because and I'll get into some things that that trump has said in response to everything but hunter biden being found guilty today kind of nullifies a lot of his argument that, like this, no one else would be found guilty. It's only because it's him I like it well. Well, that's clearly untrue because of this. So here's a couple of interesting things. So Donald Trump, who I'll just remind everyone is 77 years old Wild to me, he's the first former president in US history to be criminally tried and convicted, and he was already spoke about why he was found guilty of. But he does also currently face three more criminal cases that have not yet been tried and also recently did lose a civil case.
Tayla:Yeah, he's also been embroiled in tons of civil cases relating to, among other things like the business empire and legal appeals that he's going to be doing, including a Supreme Court one coming up which is essentially a question on whether he is immune from prosecution for anything he did during the presidency. So a lot of mess, mess, mess, mess, mess, mess around here. Very, very complicated, and no one wants to be involved in any of these. I can tell you, if I were the Supreme Court right now and this is based on how things got to the Supreme Court I think this indicates that the last thing they want is this to come to their table and for them to have to rule on it, because it's just you can't. It's a mess for the country, no matter what.
Sam:I agree and I'm going to throw in a really a really, I'm going to throw an opinion on this, if it does get heard by the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court which it is, it's going to be.
Tayla:They've scheduled it to be heard.
Sam:It's scheduled.
Tayla:What Okay Anyway.
Sam:But they're trying to like push it out as far as they can and, like you're saying, like not have to deal with it and to see if he just gets elected president or convicted.
Tayla:Yeah, and to see if he just gets elected president and then or convicted and null and void.
Sam:But let's just say it does and they choose to make him immune. I predict that that will be one of the biggest pivotal moments in the United States and the downfall of the democracy. Because it becomes a sham, the whole thing becomes a sham.
Tayla:The whole office of presidency of the United States is just wrecked and also it destroys a whole judicial system.
Sam:It's like for me, the judicial system is one of the few things that is still kind of hanging on, even though there's a lot of corruption in it and a lot of rigging in it. It's actually one of the few things where it's like hey, here's the final.
Tayla:Hopefully people that can be somewhat impartial and beholden only to the law.
Sam:All other branches are completely bought and paid for. In fact, when you're asking like, hey, have you doing any research? Or you're like getting things together, I'm like, yeah, the only things I'm putting together in terms of stuff around this topic is money and politics and the corruption of our system, and it is one of the few things that has only a small like I mean that it's the one justice.
Tayla:What's his name?
Sam:but it's still small what?
Tayla:what is his name? Is it roberts? There's one justice that even that's in huge question. Yeah, thomas, yeah, where you're just like, what do you mean you've? Had millions of dollars and you've been on yachts with people donating to like yeah and that's just like okay, I guess we're just reporting on it and then moving on, and that's just the gray stuff.
Sam:The stuff that's in the actual political system right now is like billions and billions of dollars. That is like directly correlated with specific like things that people want passed and laws that they want in place, and like it it is. We are completely bleeped, yeah, just with the way we're going and and this.
Tayla:This is the judicial.
Sam:Yeah, the judicial system is like literally the last thing. That's kind of hanging by a thread for me. And if and if it goes the way that it goes, I think it's done.
Tayla:It's done. Yeah, I agree, I don't think. I don't think anyone objectively can interpret the constitution to really be meant to allow for anything to happen. It's like it's the opposite so clearly to what the framers desired and intended in the office and in making that call. So, anyway, it is a little bit complicated because it does kind of like and and trump's legal representation are doing a very good job of like trying to make a boogeyman on this other side of like.
Tayla:Well, if you say that a president can can be prosecuted while they're in pregnancy, then every president no one's going to be able to make decisions for the good of the country because they're going to be so afraid of just being embroiled in these legal cases once they leave office. I think there is some merit to that. I think that this has just become a huge mess and that, unless things change very drastically in the political climate, that, regardless of the ruling on this, that yeah, presidents will just be like former presidents, will just be inundated with ridiculous cases from different general attorney generals and civil cases. That just to like because people are upset with how they ran, because things are so extreme right now. But I don't that's still not a reason. Just because that's still not a reason, just because that's a potential eventuality, that's not a reason to give absolute immunity to anyone. Yeah, so, anyway.
Tayla:So a couple of other facts of the case, just for those of you who might not know we do have quite a few international listeners is that this case in particular outside of the other three cases and the other ones that are not federal payment was made to the adult film actress, normie daniels before, shortly before, the 2016 election. She was paid 130 000, which is 103 000 pounds, to keep quiet about her claim that she had had sex with trump, which he denies that that happened, and so a lot of people are confused as to like what he was convicted of, because having agreements like this and hush money like this is not illegal. But this case is more technical and it's centered more on how Trump's former lawyer, michael Cohen, had his reimbursement recorded in Trump's accounts and that Trump was aware of the falsification of the claims, and so he falsified his business records, saying that the payment was for legal fees, when actually it was this hush money. Let's see. The trial ended on the 30th of May.
Tayla:Key witnesses included the ex-lawyer, michael Cohen, and a bunch of other people and a lot of people questioned could Trump go to prison? Each of the charges, the 34 charges that he was found guilty of, does carry a maximum of four years in prison. So yes, like he could potentially go to prison, I think that's highly unlikely. I think a judge would sentence him to probation or something like that. So a lot of people, a lot of legal experts, are saying that it's unlikely he's gonna be jailed and a fine is the more likely outcome.
Tayla:So yeah any thoughts on any of that so far.
Sam:Well, yeah, so the Michael Cohen speaking of Michael Cohen.
Tayla:Yeah.
Sam:So this is what happened with Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen, I'm just gonna read there's literally a list of oh no, a giant list of people.
Tayla:He's already served his jail time for stuff that he did.
Sam:So I'm just going to mention eight people associated with Trump, and when I say associated, I don't mean like, oh, they were once. I'm talking about people that were like the head of Trump's campaign finance and people that were close to him his personal lawyers that were doing things under the direction of Trump serving jail time convicted for things related to Trump in fact, related to this as well.
Tayla:So let's start off with People who are already convicted and serving jail time yeah, yeah, or have served so let's start with Michael Cohen.
Sam:So he was Trump's personal lawyer. Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison in 2018 after pleading guilty to an array of crimes, including violating campaign finance laws, which you're talking about, and lying to congress in the muller investigation. He was released in 2021. Then you've got sorry. Paul manaford he was the former campaign chairman was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for bank and tax fraud crimes and those related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine. He spent just under two years in prison before ultimately being pardoned by Trump in December 2020.
Sam:You've got George Papadopoulos. I don't know if I said that right. He was Trump's campaign advisor and was sentenced to 14 days in prison in 2018 for lying to investigators about Russian contacts. He ultimately served 12 days in prison and also received a Trump pardon in December 2020.
Tayla:What's the point of pardoning a two-week sentence? But anyway.
Sam:Roger Stone, long-time Trump associate, was sentenced to three years in prison in 2020 for crimes that included obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. Trump commuted a stone sentence in July 2020 and later pardoned him. Rick Gates, the deputy chairman of Trump's 2016 campaign, pleaded guilty in 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. He was later sentenced to only 45 days in prison. Allen Weisselberg, former Trump Organization CFO, received a five-month prison sentence on April 10th after previously pleading guilty to two counts of perjury. The charges stem from Wieselberg giving false testimony during Trump's civil fraud trial. This was actually the second sentence he received and was given another five-month sentence last year for his role in helping run a years-long tax fraud scheme at Trump's business.
Tayla:Five months, only Five months. That's crazy.
Sam:Let's not forget Steve Bannon. He was sentenced to four months in prison in 2022 for contempt of Congress. This is for defying a subpoena for the january 6 committee. Peter navarro same thing that is crazy.
Tayla:Sorry that he received four months for just not coming to congress to testify and the other dude had a years-long tax scheme and got five months. Sorry that's that stuff is crazy to me, but anyway yeah, go ahead.
Sam:Yeah, I mean, the list goes on.
Tayla:There's a whole bunch of them and Trump is actively this is part of his campaign, which is to say that when he is president, he will pardon everyone involved in January 6th and pardon this person and that person and pardon himself as far as he can because he could technically pardon himself as far as he can, because he could technically pardon himself from federal crimes. Obviously, there's a couple of state crimes that he's on trial for that he could not currently pardon, but he is pushing to expand the pardoning power to also state's crimes. So like he's actively bragging, slash, campaigning on this premise that like, essentially, he's corrupt and will pardon people that serve his means but yep, again he also.
Sam:This was from june 5th. Uh, trump says it's very possible that biden and other political rivals will have to be jailed. Um we gotta get out of here and but then also he's been denying now that he ever said lock her up or you know to, about hillary clinton oh, because he's like, if she's convicted like she should for sure.
Tayla:Yeah, like he. The opposite of what he's trying to say. For him he's. He's making the opposite argument that hillary clinton, in her capacity, like should have been jailed. Yep, so crazy so crazy.
Sam:And again, this all started with donald trump becoming a birther about obama back in like 2012, 2008, yeah and then seven probably and and then him being a massive anti-Mexican immigration person.
Sam:That's literally where that starts. And before then, obviously Trump has got a very messy past in business, which is obviously coming up now and other stuff. I just don't see how, if you're a conservative, you you've gotten behind donald trump. I get that. You can be like, hey, I am definitely not 100 at all supportive of anything on the left, but why donald trump? To me it's bizarre and I remember back when he was first coming around, everyone mocked him, like everyone. It was like he was getting one percent of the support. He was a joke. And then, as soon as, as soon as other people started dropping out and he started getting momentum, it was very interesting to watch how people would just pretend that they never said those things and they never felt that way. And now we're in like a reality where you try to bring up the fact that, hey, this is how you felt and how you thought about him and what your morals and principles have been. And now we're in 2024 and the man has been proven to you know.
Tayla:Be corrupt.
Sam:Be corrupt have so much fraud and tax fraud and finance defrauding, cheating on his multiple wives, you know, sleeping around with porn stars paying them off, I mean.
Tayla:He's been civilly found liable for sexual assault claims.
Sam:The crazy things he's said about like pretty much everyone on his you know late night tweets throughout his presidency. His absolute, like weirdo relationship he has with his one daughter.
Tayla:And then the Russian relationship.
Sam:Yeah, so again.
Tayla:I get it.
Sam:Conservative values. There's a lot of value there, but he actually doesn't represent you. He represents his own interest. Yeah, so again I get it Conservative values there's a lot of value there, but he actually doesn't represent you. He represents his own interest. And so can we please acknowledge that he is a piece of garbage in terms of a human being and that he doesn't have your best interests at mind as a politician, and that he literally is using you as an opportunist. He is using you, so can we not get behind someone else that represents true conservative values?
Tayla:yeah, and he's using people for their money too. Guess who's paying to defend him from all his crimes? Everyone donating to him.
Sam:This opens a whole nother topic. Like have you heard of this? Literally, he's got a stock ticker for a business that doesn't make any money with that. There was a purchase of. It's called, literally the stock ticker is DJT and it's a business. Oh, I should. I'll look it up in a second. Yeah, but basically it merged with his like social media network, Truth Social. It merged with his like social media network, truth social. It doesn't make any money and but their market cap, like the amount of money that's coming in from like all sorts of foreign investments, is astronomical. We're talking billions of dollars being funneled in through a stock that he is entitled to take money from in In, like I think it's four more months. It's got no value, it has no value. But there's like another way that you can like it's a cult.
Tayla:It's a cult. Well, let me briefly touch on the other. The three other federal, like the criminal charges that are against him. We won't even get into the civil stuff. I'm just briefly like what they're about.
Tayla:So number one is the capital riot in 2020 election case. This is about whether trump illegally conspired to overturn his 2020 election defeat to joe biden so they're alleging. The prosecutors are alleging that he pressured officials to reverse the results, knowingly spread lies about the election fraud and sought to exploit the capital riot on the 6th of january to delay certification of mr biden's victory and stay in power, and so he's been charged with four criminal counts, including conspiracy to defraud the us and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. He was not charged with insurrection or aiding insurrection, so he's denied all of the wrongdoing and claimed that the biden administration is behind the prosecution. This trial has been postponed indefinitely while an appeal from trump plays out, and then the supreme court is supposed to rule on his argument that a former president can't be prosecuted like other citizens. The justice heard the case on the 25th of april and should make a decision a decision this month, in june. So they've already heard the case and will be interesting If Trump were to. Trump were to win the vote in November, he could, in theory, pardon himself or order the charges dismissed if that hasn't happened.
Tayla:So let's go to the next one. This was this is a state, one that he could not pardon himself for, for this is the Georgia 2020 election. So Trump and some 18 other defendants are accused of criminally conspiring to overturn his very narrow defeat in the state of georgia in 2020. It's a racketeering investigation sparked by a leaked phone call in which the former president asks the state's top election official to find 11 780 votes. So that's like a recorded phone call that he said. So I'm just kind of like I don't know how you feel, like you're going to defend from that, but anyway, that's 13 criminal counts, which were reduced to 10, and they do include one alleged violation of george's racketeering, influence and corruption organizations act. He's pleaded not guilty and the date has also not been set. By that he's trying to disqualify the attorney general, miss willis, because of a romantic relationship with a man she'd hired to work on the case. So we'll see if he gets found. Gets that one. It carries a maximum of 20 years of 20 years of jail.
Tayla:And then the last one is a classified documents case. This is about whether trump mishandled classified documents by taking them from the white house to his mar-a-Lago residence after he left the office and also about whether he obstructed the FBI's efforts to retrieve the files and then the criminal investigation into his handling of them. So usually the counts are on national defense, information and retention of that which is under the espionage act, and this trial was also. The trial date was canceled. It was originally set for 20th of May and has not been rescheduled yet.
Tayla:The judge is trying to process some pretrial motions and is trying to just be very careful with this case. Of course, can you imagine me trying to be a freaking judge in these cases? Anyway, he could go to prison substantially. Each of the counts for this case carries a maximum of 20 years and there's multiple counts. So that is Trump and his conviction slash alleged illegal activities. Anything else you want to say about that? I feel like it's just nice to kind of know where we're at when it comes to criminal cases with Trump, because there's so many to keep track of. Yep.
Sam:No, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna sound like a stuck record you are get money out of politics and you're gonna you're gonna reduce the amount of psychopaths and people and grifters and people that are just gonna use us and use you for money and power yeah, absolutely I'm with you so.
Tayla:So you ready to pivot to Hunter Slightly different.
Sam:Pivot.
Tayla:Pivot, pivot.
Sam:Pivot. That's a friend's reference. Yeah, for all you 90s people slash millennials.
Tayla:Okay, so we spoke about this. This is breaking news as of today, which, for when we release this episode, will be yesterday. News as of today, which, for when we release this episode, will be yesterday. So Hunter Biden was convicted today of all three felony charges related to the purchase of a revolver in 2018. The prosecutors are arguing that the president's son so Joe Biden's son lied on a mandatory gun purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs.
Tayla:Hunter Biden is 54. Apparently, he showed little emotion when the verdict was read. The deliberations were only three hours over two days, and he did leave a statement. So a few days ago, president Joe Biden was asked if he would pardon his son should he be convicted, and at that time, he said that he would not pardon him. I imagine that's a very difficult decision to make when you like. Obviously, it's an easy decision when it comes to like yeah, I mean, of course, you're not going to pardon someone found guilty when clearly they are guilty, but it must be a difficult decision as a parent to be like. I could prevent you from what could be like really horrible situation and I won't, you know. But anyway, joe biden today issued another statement shortly after the verdict that he would continue to accept the outcome and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal.
Tayla:So some witnesses in the case were hunter, biden's ex-wife and a former girlfriend. They testified about finding crack pipes and other drug paraphernalia. There was no like actual evidence, like they hadn't seen him actually take drugs. So that was where maybe the question was. But a lot of the defense's case was on whether Biden Hunter Biden considered himself an addict at the time, whether he was intentionally lying or whether he. So that was kind of their attempt to defend against this. So he has not been sentenced. He does face up to 25 years in prison, but he's a first time offender and he's probably not going to get anywhere near the maximum, if any. Let's see anything else.
Sam:Yeah, I watched, watched like a couple you know gonna go down the rabbit hole watched a couple youtube videos about this topic. I'm not just about hunter biden, but just about this particular law, and it's from from what I could gather. It seemed like this is a charge that is tacked on to other chargers typically, so usually someone else is uses a weapon for x, y and z?
Sam:um, but also lied on this form yeah so they can then tack on an additional charge for lying on a federal form in relation to, you know, purchasing a gun and that there typically isn't actually any sort of time served for that charge for just that particular charge. But you never know again, depending on what the prosecutor wants to prosecute, right so that's that's the power of that position and I agree with what biden is saying is let the judicial system do its job do its job just yeah so a couple of quotes.
Tayla:Hunter biden said after the verdict that he is, quote more grateful for the love and support of his family than he is disappointed by the outcome, close quote. And he then said, quote recovery is possible by the grace of god and I am blessed to experience that gift one day at a time. Close quote quote. And then, in addition to President Joe Biden saying that he would accept the outcome, biden also said I am the president, but I am also a dad, jill, and I love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. Close quote. So sentencing still has not been set and Hunter Biden does still face another trial for tax evasion, which will come in September.
Tayla:So thoughts on I don't know this whole thing this whole thing do you feel like he would have been tried for this specifically if he was not the son of joe biden?
Sam:no, no, I don't think so, hmm that sucks yeah, I well, okay, no, I'm gonna. I do think, though, he would have been tried. Do I think it would have been as big a deal? No, I still think you've lied on a pretty serious federal form, and, yeah, I do think that you go and appear before a judge and have to go through that process. Do I feel like it's as big a deal? No, not at all, but it's.
Tayla:It's still something you'd go to judge for and get a sentence for I just don't think a prosecutor would have pursued this case if he was a nobody, if he wasn't related to anyone, because not only did nothing happen with the gun, he had it for 11 days. It's still a dangerous and a wrong thing, but I don't think he would. I don't think a prosecutor would have even pursued a case like this, especially in that well, I mean I, I appeared before a judge once and it was before a freaking.
Sam:I forgot to renew my registration but you weren't charged with.
Tayla:No, that's what I'm saying, yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Oh, you're saying, you, you think you still would have appeared before judge. You don't think he would have been charged yeah, I feel like you.
Sam:You, you're still in trouble, you still appear before a judge and there's still like some sort of consequence of whatever. That is like mine was like pay this small little fine and that's you know, was it super small and it was like the worst part was that you're having to spend like half a day dealing with you know, going into the court system and I was like it was again. It's like oh, I forgot to do this very simple thing, oops, you know yeah, okay, I see what you mean.
Tayla:Yeah, I just don't think he would have been charged with the criminal prosecution if he were not joe biden's son. But it doesn't mean to say that I don't think he should be. I think I'm just neutral on it where I'm like, yeah, I mean you broke the law, so it is what it is. Do I think there's a lot worse things out there that could have people's time and focus and the money in the system? Sure, but you broke the law, it is what it is. Like you did something wrong. So, yeah, I don't like I feel bad that there's just like so much around this kind of as you said small thing, just like so big, but at the same time, like I don't feel bad because, again, it just is what it is. So I guess I'm feeling like just kind of neutral on it. I do think it's right that he was convicted. I do think it was right that he was found. I do think it was right that he was found guilty. I think the evidence was pretty clear. Yeah, what are you going to do?
Sam:I'm assuming he's going to serve one of those sentences that's like the 14 days or 21 days or something like that. Yeah.
Tayla:I don't know. This is unprecedented too, because I believe, like a close family member of a current or former president has also not been convicted of of crimes. And so there's a question on, like okay, well, so will he receive secret service while he's in prison? Um same with donald trump, like, well, if he goes to prison, would he receive secret service? And the donald trump question is easier. It's like well, yes, I mean, I think, even though I think he's the worst, I think he should have a secret service protect him if he goes to prison, which he probably won't. But hunter biden is an interesting question. I also think he should probably receive secret service security, but I don't know what do you think?
Sam:if yeah, no, I agree with with what you're saying. It kind of reminded me we were watching what's that?
Sam:catherine the great, the great the great, the great, and just remind, yeah it just reminded me of how like royalty used to deal with each other when it came to these sorts of things, which was like, okay, we, we can't kill them, but you know, what we can do is send them off to somewhere far away and you go, stay in your mansion over there and you're never to be spoken of again. I think it feels like what's happening is a division in our country to feel like quote unquote royalty, where it's no longer a true democracy. And you just got. I support this team, I support this team, I support blue, I support red, and the one person is going to have to go off and go be quiet somewhere else.
Tayla:That's what I think, is what, what I'm hoping happens yeah, and I do think that since hunter biden, in particular, has become like clean and is not an active addict well, he's an addict, you know what I mean. I do think that has been his attempt, like things have been very, very quiet for him and he's just tried to like just stay out of the way. But obviously you can't help whether a prosecutor decides to pursue a case against you in which you are guilty.
Sam:So yeah, I, I think, was mentioning as in also in relation to like, if trump gets quote unquote jail time, like he is convicted or not convicted, because he's already convicted, but whatever his sentencing is, I think he doesn't go into our you know our jail system.
Tayla:I think it turns into a like I'm saying you are now stuck at mar-a-lago and go spend the rest of your days here the problem is is like I just don't think it's feasible to send someone away and have them be because of the internet and because of social media, like even if he is like like he's, he's gonna affect society one way or another until he dies, and potentially after he does, then we'll get to hear about the conspiracy theories about how he's not really dead and this new person is him reincarnated. I don't know it. It's just. I just wish none of this was a thing, because it's taken us down a road you can't really come back from or that it's very drastic to come back from and takes a lot of time, and I just dislike all of it.
Sam:Yeah, I do, and I just to clarify I know I've kind of been focusing on the Trump portion of this but I absolutely hate the far right and I hate the far left. I feel like it's completely ruined our country. It's divided us and separated us.
Sam:The majority of us actually want like 90 of the same stuff and agree on the same stuff, but it's become so extreme that it's hard for anyone to feel like they're they're connected with each other, because if you're slightly right or slightly left or slightly agree with this or slightly support that, all assumptions people make you are completely on the other side and you are a complete idiot and you are deranged and you want to murder babies and you want to murder children at school and you support all sorts of crazy things when really it's kind of like hey there's like a technicality or a specific detail or a nuance here that like we. That's mostly the disagreement, I think yeah, so I would love it if somehow we could come back to the middle.
Tayla:I'm not hopeful anymore it'll happen, but it's going to take a long time, like all democracies go through obviously not quite on this scale and most democracies are not this large. Democracies go through obviously not quite on this scale and most democracies are not this large but they go through this to some extent and either figure it out or become pseudo democracies and I do think it will get sorted out. I just, I do think it's going to take many decades to stabilize.
Sam:Again and again keep singing the same song about two-party system issues and yeah, it's just you know well, one of the problems is is that we're in a post-truth era where it's like you actually don't know what's real and what's true because of how easy it is to create you know the coin term fake news.
Tayla:Yeah, it's so or to claim that reality is fake, like that.
Tayla:The opposite is true, too. Like, and that's the problem is it is difficult, it's difficult to navigate, especially if you're someone who's not as technologically savvy and that's a lot of people, considering the age of the population and how quickly things are progressing. It's, it's so difficult and I think, when you think about that, it's really disheartening. But I I do think it also does add an air of like, maybe some benevolence or understanding towards people that are so easily fooled because you're like what the heck? But at the same time, it's usually a similar demographic of people who don't know how to tell, and so all they can go off of is what they believe is true, and what they believe is true is what people have marketed and stuck right in front of them. And and it's hard, I really do feel for people I think there's quite a few people that are willfully ignorant, and that's very frustrating and damaging, but I do think a huge majority of these people just don't know, and they don't know how to know, and they just it sucks.
Sam:Amen.
Tayla:This should be an interesting year. It's going to be my first presidential year to vote, so um, how exciting and disheartening for me to have these current options. But it'll be interesting to just see how the rest of this plays out, and I'm anxious for the supreme court's decision on the trump case that should come out this month, but maybe that will even be our next couple episodes. I'm sure we'll I mean we'll have to talk about it, right? But yeah, it's probably next week's episode will be with maybe another guest.
Tayla:Yeah, because sam's gonna be out of the country doing work in the unfortunate place to work, portugal, so see if you get any work done at such a beautiful place. But I will miss you and be sad but also be happy because my cousins are in town.
Sam:Easily replaceable.
Tayla:Yeah, no wait, I just said that. Thanks for listening to the Babe. What do you know about podcast?
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