Babe, What Do You Know About?
Babe, What Do You Know About?
Award Shows
Our journey through the entertainment industry doesn't stop there, as we recount a fascinating brush with EDM sensation Alan Walker and discuss the global music represented at the Grammys—or the lack thereof. We raise a glass to Zolani Mahola's Grammy win, question the Emmy's proliferating categories, and peek behind the curtain at the differing voting bodies of the Golden Globes versus the Oscars. Can these institutions regain their sparkle for the Snapchat generation? We're brainstorming live.
As we wrap, we take a moment to appreciate the tear-jerking Oscar dedications to family and the unforgettable performances that define the night. The pressure is palpable for celebrities in the limelight, and we're dissecting that too, alongside the intricate dance we all do with celebrity culture. From healthy admiration to all-consuming fandom, we muse over our personal take on these gleaming events and the entertainment they celebrate, leaving you with plenty to ponder until the curtain falls on the next award season.
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Welcome to Babe. What do you know about the podcast with your favorite husband and wife duo, Sam
Tayla:and Tayla. Each week we dive deep into a new subject, blending fun and seriousness to push boundaries and buttons.
Sam:Get ready to expand your knowledge, challenge your perspectives and have a blast along the way.
Tayla:Tell me again about the killer whale.
Sam:Okay, so it's. I just feel like there is way more to the intelligence of a killer whale than we even think how intelligent they are. Think about this, not one not one attack on a human in the wild.
Tayla:Record it, yeah, or just.
Sam:Yeah, not even like.
Tayla:Like a little nibble, not even a folklore of it. Okay, so yeah. The most that I've heard of a killer whale doing is just like wrecking the boats off of Portugal. They're just like playing with the boats ramming into them, but they're not really attacking the people. No, that's the most I've heard and that would be freaking, terrifying.
Sam:Yeah, but but why not even just one like oh, yeah, yeah this, this killer whale was upset with them, or this killer whale was just like. You know what I couldn't?
Tayla:They were threatening the baby, or yeah, like there's not one.
Sam:Except for one captivity. Except for one captivity Right and that's like often kept to the end. Pushed to the extremes. So I mean, I think maybe there's even more to the intelligence and we're thinking like they, they like passed down history like an oral history or something, and they know like, okay, be good to humans, because humans are crazy and attack your kind for the next millennia?
Tayla:I don't know.
Sam:There's just more to it. That's all. I'm saying this. I feel like I'm wearing a tin full hat right now, like aliens. Smart, that's all smart.
Tayla:Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. I definitely feel like I would be more scared of being in the wild and like encountering a killer whale than a shock, even though that makes no sense, they're just so big. Yeah, I showed you that video right.
Sam:It's like it's literally a killer whale by itself, rams a great white shock and kills and eats it Boom by itself by itself just in two minutes, yeah, and the shock didn't even stand a chance. It wasn't even like oh, this is a fight, it was just like.
Tayla:It was like an eight foot great white shock.
Sam:It got eaten.
Tayla:Fascinating.
Sam:Anyways, that's, that's good, good episode. Come back next week for another killer whale fact.
Tayla:Yeah, um, it's been a good week, though. Had my 30th birthday, which is great. Um, we did a lot of celebratory things, um, and now I? I was going to say I've joined you in your decade, but I haven't, because you're in your 40s now, I know. But it was great. The 30s is a good decade. I'm happy, I'm so excited for you.
Tayla:It's dope Well follow up from the losing the bet to win the half marathon I've been running again consistently because I was training for a while and then got sick period, all the stuff right, Kind of didn't do it right. And then I started doing it again this week and my body is killing me. I think I might have broken an ankle or something. So we'll see if I can keep doing it. You got it Power through the pain.
Sam:What a manly thing to say to a woman in her pain. No pain, no gain.
Tayla:That's what I'm learning in the gym, that's true, you are learning lots in the gym.
Sam:I don't know what that means no pain, no gain.
Tayla:That's what I'm learning in the gym. I don't know what that means no pain, no gain.
Sam:Yeah, but what's the lots, what you said? You're learning lots in the gym. I don't know what that means.
Tayla:I just said exactly what you said. You said I'm learning lots in the gym. I said, yeah, you are learning lots in the gym, did I?
Sam:Did I, did you forget?
Tayla:that. Hold on, I'm going to play it back.
Sam:What.
Tayla:You pretty much said it now that we've listened to it back. You said that's what I learned in the gym and I said, yeah, you're learning lots in the gym.
Sam:I know, I don't know what lots is.
Tayla:I don't know what that means either.
Sam:I don't know what lots is.
Tayla:But you've been in the gym a lot. Good for you, very good for you.
Sam:I'm so confused right now.
Tayla:It's okay, we'll just move right along. What? All right, we're going to talk about award shows today. You ready for my intro?
Sam:Yes.
Tayla:Are you?
Sam:Yes, you have to be Okay.
Tayla:Glitz, glam and golden statuettes Award shows have long been a staple of our entertainment landscape, but are they still relevant? In this episode, we're going to dive deep into the world of awards. From the iconic Oscars to the BET Awards, viewership for major award shows has been plummeting. The 2024 Oscars, for instance, only garnered 4% of viewers aged 18 to 49. Meanwhile, the Emmys hit another record low this year as well. But award shows aren't dead yet. The Golden Globes, after addressing diversity concerns, saw our viewership rebound by switching networks.
Tayla:So we're going to explore a couple of these trends, analyze the impact of awards, uncover some interesting random facts. For example, was Barbie, the 2023 box office king, snubbed despite eight nominations? And just how much does the coveted statuette actually cost? Here's a hint Emmy winners for large categories might need to shell out some cash for the award. So join us for a look into the glittering and sometimes controversial world of award shows. So, babe, what do you know about award shows? By the way, missed you last week. It's weird recording a podcast episode for babe. What do you know about?
Sam:I know, but Holly's dope, so she is dope.
Tayla:Anyway, what do you know about orchards?
Sam:Just a little bit Like what you read online.
Tayla:Okay. I have zero insider or industry knowledge about it, though yeah, I mean very, very rarely do people have that, but is it something you've ever watched, like you've sat down and watched in a Vortua when I was?
Sam:no, like I've seen like clips of like funny things or something like that.
Tayla:Yeah okay, same. I don't think I've ever sat through. I feel like I would and I would like to, but for the most part I've I've been busy or forgotten that it was happening that evening or Didn't have like a the channel to watch it on, but I haven't ever.
Sam:I've paid attention to the Grammys a couple times not like watched it, but seem like hey, who won stuff? Because we've had a Couple Grammy winners from the record label, so that's kind of fun.
Tayla:Are you probably need to say more about that? I don't think we've talked about your record label, yeah, so yeah, so we, we had a record label called 99 lives.
Sam:It did EDM. We, you know, had a few billboard top Charting stuff and we were at top of iTunes for a while and then and we just released various artists. So, yeah, I would submit to us and we'd sign them and release them. So we've, we had a, had a few win Grammys. And then I think our biggest claim to fame that never actually happened was we had Alan Walker try son with us. He's. He's done a number of big tracks in the EDM space. Like we're like Like a few hundred, like billion streams across platforms stuff.
Tayla:Wow, I'm not.
Sam:I'm sure there's a list now there that knows Alan Walker and he did. I think he did faded, something like that. Um, anyways, so he reached out to us because one of his buddies released to us and he said, hey, can I release a track? I mean, I mean, yes, you can but I mean sure, but can we? We had to. We knew he was a son artist to Sony, sony records, and so we're like, could we see your?
Sam:contract yeah and so our lawyers looked through it and they're like you can't, you can't do anything. He's like, well, maybe I could just, you know, do it under another name, and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, look, we'd love to, but this is just you know tight, yeah, so anyways, that's interesting.
Tayla:Yeah, I did not know that. Yeah, so you kind of pay attention.
Sam:Did because you were into the industry. Yeah, yeah.
Tayla:Okay, dope, I think I've paid more attention to, like, oscars, golden Globe, that kind of thing, then to music, but again, it's just kind of more what I consume. So let's talk a bit about Excuse me a couple of things. So, talking about the, the Grammys right, grammys are international, like they're supposed to honor international different music genres and stuff. So in your opinion, from what you know, how well do you think the Grammys does represent kind of the global music scene?
Sam:Global. I think poorly. I think it's a very US centric. Yeah, that's mom.
Tayla:I know that there was this. It just depends on. I know they have that they only can televised certain they can't televised all because I mean how many awards are there in the Grammys? It's at least.
Tayla:I don't know, I really many tens, so they can't televised everything, and so that's what I think is part of. The unfortunate thing is they have to kind of pick and choose. I think it's 12 or 13 like categories that they will actually televised, and I was actually listening. Trevor Noah has a podcast Called what. Now it's very good If anyone is looking for just like a really skilled interviewer. He's amazing. But he just did like a recap of things With a couple friends of his, one of which is the guy that chooses, like what to tell. If I was like he in the Grammys this year and they kind of asked him, oh, like, because apparently he didn't Rap best rap album or whatever wasn't televised and he usually isn't something else was instead.
Tayla:Yeah that was trying to be and he was like it's just so arbitrary, it's so hard to pick, like the the right things to televised. It's got to be a mix between what people are interested in, but also trying to represent as many genres as possible. And he's like I, I didn't have a reason not to include rap. It was just that, like rap had been included in previous years and I tried to, but it was like a whole Thing. It was just interesting to hear them talk about it, kind of from that back end point of view.
Tayla:But I agree, we did have a South African win. Her name's Tyler For her water song. Oh my god, hey, go ahead we saw it on.
Sam:Was it the voice last season? Like that was part of the finale or whatever, and it was basically her lip-syncing and dancing wet and Like cuz it's just, it's just like, there's, like there's this water everywhere.
Tayla:Oil's as well.
Sam:Yeah, and it was just okay. Well, I mean it wasn't wasn't good. I mean good for her, Like I'm happy. But the song is meh, I think it's all it was just. It's basically a, I'd say, an exotic, because it's from South Africa, a sexy song. That's pretty much the end of the value of that song.
Tayla:And I feel like that's the way she marketed it and she managed to get a specific Don's move go viral through that and that's honestly how the song went viral. So, by all means, I mean she did a great job doing it. I am curious I need to look it up I'll do that in a second or maybe you can but like what category she actually ended up winning? Like what it was she won, but I remember it was for that song specifically. But good for her using what she has to get seen and recognized Cause she did. I mean, we actually have a cousin of mine. It's my dad's cousin actually, but he's younger than me.
Sam:She wins Best African Music Performance.
Tayla:Best African Music Performance. Okay, so African do they have like European, asian Cause I feel like African.
Sam:That's such a huge continent, this is a whole, nother debates that we would have. It is we just get into this.
Tayla:It is okay, but yeah, so performance. Anyway, our cousin is an artist in South Africa. He's moved out of South Africa since then but he like interacted with her a bit and she seemed pretty cool based on what he said. So good for her. So that's good, representation has all.
Sam:Loot.
Tayla:I know. So let's talk a bit about Emmy Awards. So the Emmy Awards are the most prestigious awards for TV. So there are television show awards and there are over a hundred categories and the competition is pretty high because it's a ton of TV shows. So what do you think about? Do you think that the sheer number of categories dilutes the significance of the award in any way?
Sam:So, okay, I mean yes, yes, it does Like it's hard to track everything, but I think it's a ticket step back. It's such an interesting thing that we're watching, so the the e-got right. It's the Emmys, the Grammys, Oscars and the.
Tayla:Tonys.
Sam:So those are. It's kind of like you know how there's. Think of your company, vivint, or Energy, and at the end of the year you have a conference and you be like these are the best salespeople, these are the you know the best, and we give an award for X, y and Z. It's literally that on a slightly bigger scale, because it's an industry rather than just a very large company, and it's televised and has everyone else watches it and everyone else is interested in who won this industry stuff. And to me that's pretty bizarre because it's like it's it's for them, right, it's for you know, it's it's voted on by the industry people and who they feel like is the best in all these different categories. So it's cool if you're in an industry, so if you are like a musician and you're like, yeah, you know, I would like to know what my peers think of me, or you're in the film industry and be like, yeah, I'd love to know, like you know all the people that are part of the what's considered good work and what yeah.
Sam:Exactly so. It's not necessarily what's the most popular in terms of what the did the best or etc.
Sam:It's rarely yeah it's literally people you know that industry that vote on it and I feel like that ends up like there's a whole nother discussion, but like it's kind of talk about what you're talking about. It just feels like it is a skewed representation and a paradigm of what's good and what's not, because it's kind of like a lot of artists looking at a piece of art and they go, they start commentating about things. You're just like that's weird and bizarre, because me is just like the general person that wants to buy the artwork. I don't like any of the things you're talking about. Do you know what I mean? Like they'll focus on like brushstroke and you know unique things and talk about the value of.
Tayla:like so you're just confused by like why people are even interested in the works.
Sam:Yeah, I don't watch it. That's why I said I was interested in the Grammys for a short little bit, because you were in the industry. We're part of the industry, but then once we're I was out of it. I was kind of like cool beans, you know, you kind of hear the news about it but you don't. I'd never watch it or follow it or become like you know, like wow, you know, yes, that's I agree. The industry people agreed with my. You know that was the best movie, or whatever.
Tayla:Yeah, Didn't you? Don't you claim to have coined that term? What Cool beans.
Sam:I did coin that term.
Tayla:Okay.
Sam:I invented it in 1989.
Tayla:Go ahead no that's what you just said it one day and we're like this is going to be big one day, this is going to be big.
Sam:And then a hot rod, a movie called hot rod. It was explicitly used without my permission and how dare they? Became super cool.
Tayla:Beans to you know after that cool beans, to use cool beans. Yeah, so it's very weird phrase.
Sam:I don't know why I actually looked it up like a couple of years ago because it was like I swear I did come up with this, but it was apparently was said in like the seventies, so I did not come up with it but you really leaned into that, though the moment I said anything, you're like yep, I did, this was the.
Tayla:It was the, the I'ds of March in 19th. Okay, so let's talk about golden globes.
Sam:Sorry, go ahead, what? No, that's why are you laughing at me? I'm not laughing at you.
Tayla:Oh, why are you laughing?
Sam:Because it's funny just the way you said it.
Tayla:Golden globes? Um, it's. I didn't know this until researching for this, but actually the golden globes recognize both excellence in film and television. So that's unique. It's different from all the other major award shows. So what do you think? Do you think that award shows should remain focused on like a single medium, or that they're embracing both like works?
Sam:I think it's cool to, you know, I mean because I guess it's all acting. You know, it's kind of a a larger part of, uh, you know, entertainment industry. It's not like music, so I can make sense why it's just television and film, but yeah, no, I think that's cool, that it has it.
Tayla:Yeah, it's. It's interesting to me because I'm pretty sure they still like separate the categories. It's not like best actress over acting mediums, it's still best actress in a TV show or in a small series or in a movie or whatever. So I just I don't understand why they would combine it. I feel like that would just make it very, very long. But I also don't see like a problem with it, like you, because it is. It's the same job in a different way.
Sam:But how many do you know how big the golden globes is Like how many people vote, does that?
Tayla:I don't know the Oscars.
Sam:I think it's about 10,000 people in the industry. Is it that many? Yeah, let me, oh, my goodness, let me just Google those. Yeah, go ahead and Google it.
Tayla:I had no idea. I thought it was just like a small group of people. When they're like, I like to think, the Academy, I was like, oh, it's this elite small group of people on the Academy.
Sam:Yeah, okay, so the Golden Globes is 300 people, because it's journalist.
Tayla:Oh, it's journalists.
Sam:Interesting.
Tayla:Yeah, I didn't know that, so it's not even industry people.
Sam:So and then for the Oscar, though I'm pretty sure these were 10,000 industry people.
Tayla:Maybe that's why it's more prestigious is because it's by the industry.
Sam:That makes sense, yeah, okay. So yeah, it's a little under 10,000 people from the Academy, like when I say the Academy, it's like the Academy of the like.
Tayla:That's so many people, Theater or whatever. Yeah, how do you? I would be so curious how you get into the Academy, but I'm guessing you apply and you just like give your credentials.
Sam:Yeah, so from what I understand, it's literally like you have to be employed by some sort of production on some sort of level.
Tayla:Interesting. I bet that's why, because I've wondered, because EGOT doesn't include Golden Globes like wins. So still prestigious and good, but yeah, not quite the same. So let's talk about, like, the viewership declining. You talked a little bit about why you think things are not interesting to you, but the Oscars viewing has declined. Like I said, 4% of viewers between 18 and 49 watched this year on Sunday. So what do you think award shows could do to stay relevant and kind of start attracting younger viewers?
Sam:Let's ask, I feel, a deeper question. I mean should we want more people to watch award shows? May I pose that question to you?
Tayla:You may, and I don't know. I don't see why not. Is it doing any harm? No, I feel like it's a cool thing to just see what people appreciate and track what people appreciate in the mediums of film across time, because you can look back all the way back into I think this is the 90 something one. It's almost 100 years. I don't see why not.
Sam:Okay. So if we are, if we want that, if the premise is, yeah, let's, let's. We want more people to watch it, Then I think so one of the things that I feel like they do very well and that's why we end up seeing highlights is they almost let us in on some inside jokes on, you know, the industry.
Tayla:So it feels like we're a part of the industry, we get to see them as themselves, less than like them acting.
Sam:Yeah, or like yeah, exactly what they're on in an interview or something. So they do that, you know, at times can you know, poke fun of themselves, which is which is great. If you want to increase viewership, I think you want to involve the viewers more. I mean, because right now it is an industry votes maybe other things that you can do to like involve viewership, give them a reason to. You know, like, maybe have a couple categories where it's not industry People's choice stuff, but at the Oscars, yeah, exactly.
Tayla:Or like, even if it's a tiny percentage like 5%, weight goes to the consumers, yeah exactly.
Sam:I feel like that'd be cool yeah that's not bad idea, kind of like the voice, right, so the voice has like all this other stuff where the judges vote smart people expert votes and then at the very end, the winner is chosen by yeah okay by the popular votes.
Tayla:I think even just a tiny bit of weight like it doesn't have to like make or break most people, like it's still mostly just determined by professionals, I do feel like that shouldn't be watered down too much. But I do feel like even two, three, four, five percent kind of being weighted towards that would be dope. I think that would be really cool. It would change a lot of things.
Sam:Yeah, yeah, because then and they could show that vote they could be like, yeah, 75% of you voted for this person to win this award.
Tayla:Interesting. Okay, I think that's interesting, so let's talk about how to do. Where do I want to go, okay? Um, something that I did not know about until I was preparing for this episode was that, specifically with the Emmys, emmy winners for large categories actually have to pay to keep their trophies, so the cost can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars. Thoughts on winners paying for their own awards.
Sam:Again, because it's an industry thing. I think that's totally fine because they're also part of the industry. So I mean you have to collect fees and however they've decided to fund these award shows, that's part of how they've decided to fund it, whereas some things are taken from a small percentage of this production on blah blah blah goes towards paying for the industry.
Tayla:Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you're saying in that you have to pay for the award somehow in order to make it lucrative, but I just think that's a tacky way to do it. Go ahead and pay us now. Congratulations, give us some money. I feel like you got to cover that some other way, like door fees or like dinner markups or something I don't know but I'm like that's crazy.
Tayla:I feel like that would be so lame to be like I won and as a person I'm out a thousand, a few thousand bucks, especially if you're like lower budget, like not that huge, but you did well enough to win like that would really suck. I feel like it's lame. Yeah, but I didn't even know that that was the thing. So let's see some artists or people or shows dominate award shows, like year after year after year, and I'm sure you know of quite a few actors that are nominated at least very often. So the record holder for most wins in a particular award show category.
Tayla:So this is not just like any Oscar win. This is like one guy or girl. It was a guy because men, he won. All right, here we go as of 2024, a conductor named Georg Salty or George I don't know how you pronounce that, I'm going off of sound of music pronunciation holds the record for most wins in a single category, with 31 wins for best orchestral performance. But I think that's a Grammy award. So that's a Grammy award winning is like he just apparently is very very good at conducting.
Sam:He's got that category on lock 31.
Tayla:That's so many. Has anyone won that in like he? How old is he?
Sam:right, he would have had to like win it every single year. He might be the only guy that people use.
Tayla:It might be. I think that's. That's awesome. So let's talk about a couple of people Like. There's some people that are notorious for being, like, very good actors but like historically either never winning or rarely winning. One of them is Bradley Cooper, who could have what he was nominated this year again for, I think, his performance in Maestro, which apparently was insane, but he didn't win again. Leonor de Caprio was another one for a while, until Revenant. Didn't you win for Revenant?
Sam:Finally, which is funny, because I'd feel like that's like a B plus performance for him.
Tayla:Yeah, I mean it was amazing, but he's amazing in general, like he does. Yeah, I agree, like there's so many performances that you're like what, what do you mean? How did he not win? What do you think is? What do you think is preventing certain people from from winning, when clearly everyone agrees Like they are amazing, they're very good, they're even being nominated, but they just like never get picked.
Sam:I don't know it's. You know, sometimes it's just being unlucky. You go up against someone else that just had like a phenomenal performance or did something like extreme and so like it wins the, the current focus. And when you look back in time because you can do this for a number of like Leonardo de Caprio performances where you look back now where it's like, yeah, that performance still stands the test of time it's amazing.
Sam:You'd be like yeah, he went up against you know some stupid movie and lost to some stupid thing because you know at the time it was like yeah, it was relevant, or it was, like you know, like a brave performance, or it was just like a, you know, like a shocking performance or something.
Tayla:Yeah.
Sam:And so industry in the starters kind of gravitate towards that stuff because they're so used to, you know, good and great. So it's so having something weird and different. I think maybe catches industry people's attention.
Tayla:I wonder if you're also of that caliber like you have to do more to impress because they're, like we already know you're the best actor, so you have to like, literally go put yourself in a horse car and then you can win Sure.
Tayla:Like it's harder for a really seasoned actor or actress to win over like a brand new, because that often happens it's like their first movie, like people are winning stuff. So I feel like there are some like heartbreaker ones. I think, as you say, there's some where they're like oh, clearly, like in any other year you could have won an Oscar. You just happened to release this movie at the same year as this. And then some years are like really meh as far as like performances go. But I think this year was a high competition.
Tayla:There were a lot of great for like best actress. I think it was mostly between Lily Gladstone, who's a Native American actress that was in Killers of the Flower Moon with Leonardo DiCaprio, but Emma Stone ended up winning it for Poor Things and that was so many people that I've read have just said like you know Emma Stone, it's not like she doesn't deserve it. She did an amazing job. Apparently haven't seen it, but I do think that's one of the heartbreaker ones where you're like oh man, like this is, I think, one of her first movies. I haven't heard of her, seen her in anything else and she apparently did an amazing performance. We really need to watch Killers of the Flower.
Sam:Yeah, whenever we saw the trailer for that we wanted to see. It looks really good.
Tayla:We really need to watch that. But I do think that's just kind of one of those man that just sucks and I feel like that happens all over the place, right when you're like the best basketball team, clearly, but like you just happen to be playing with like this one year, with this one star players like on that, and you just don't win, kind of thing. It's kind of a bummer, but there's not much you can do about it. I do know that there are certain movies that will change their release date around, like when they think they will best contend for awards, which is interesting, like they'll push it up sooner or push it out later. But let's talk a bit about political statements. So a lot of actors and winners often use their acceptance speeches to make political statements. Do you have a memory of any?
Sam:No, but I remember reading about one. It's an old one from like the 70s, I think. I wish I remember the actor, but basically he brought up a Native American and to give us is that what you're going to have? Yeah.
Tayla:Yeah, so Marlon Brando.
Sam:That's it, that's the guy.
Tayla:Won an Oscar for Best Actor in 1973. And he refused to accept the Oscar, but he instead sent Native American activist in his place to protest Hollywood's portrayal of Native Americans. Very controversial Thoughts on it.
Sam:I think it's awesome.
Tayla:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah. So again, it's an industry show and if you I think it's a good platform to talk to your industry people that, hey, this is I'm not cool with this, Change it, and what better place to do then Added an award show that you win an award.
Tayla:Yeah, I do remember watching live the part of the Oscars where Leonardo DiCaprio did win for Revenant and I was so curious what he would say after all this time and all these close calls like, and he spent most of his time talking about climate change. That's like literally why he spent pretty much all his time doing. And then, um, oh, this was at an Emmy performance for the comedy show Miss Maisel Marvelous Miss Maisel, the actress that plays the manager you know who I'm talking about?
Sam:Damn it.
Tayla:I need to have her name down, but when she it wasn't so political so much, it's just like very social.
Tayla:She spoke about how, um, this was like a really impactful moment so hopefully I do a justice, but she spoke about how her grandmother, or great grandmother, was a Jew in an internment camp in Germany and she was told to line up and they were going to shoot them and put them in a ditch and she asked um the guard what would happen if she stepped out of line and he didn't respond and she ended up stepping out of line and like being able to escape. And then she came to the States and she used this as like a very cool story to be like if, if this woman in my life hadn't stepped out of line, like things would be so different and she pretty much was a proponent of women, just like stepping out of line, just step out of line. Just like don't do exactly what you're told, just because you're told to do it. If you, if you're wondering about, well, what would happen if I did this, like do it, which was very cool. That's not so political so much, as it is like just inspiring.
Tayla:I guess it's political if you consider feminism political, but that was cool One I remember, along with Lee and Audra Caprio. Quite a few people are very sweet to family members or like spouses, which I think is is lovely. They also have quite a few musical moments, at the Oscar specifically. So not just the Grammys, lots of performances at the Grammys. It's a big deal.
Sam:Well, one of the Oscar categories is music. Well, like there's a lot of actual music categories for the Oscars.
Tayla:Yeah, in fact, billie and Phineas. Billie Eilish and Phineas Eilish. What's his last name?
Sam:Their real last name is O'Connell.
Tayla:Okay, Phineas O'Connell and Billie Eilish.
Sam:Her name is like what was her real name? It's like Billy, like Blackbeard, something stupid O'Connell or something.
Tayla:No, yeah, look it up it's.
Sam:it's not that as it's not Blackbeard, but it's something like that Blackbeard. Okay, bear with me while you're talking about this.
Tayla:Anyway, they ended up winning Best oh Something song in a, anyway um original song. I think that made her and him I think mostly her the youngest winner of two Oscars ever. So no one her age has won two Oscars, wow, so good for her.
Sam:Yeah, good for her. So okay, her real name is um. Her full name is Billie Eilish Pirate Bad O'Connell.
Tayla:Pirate Baird.
Sam:Baird.
Tayla:Pirate Baird as one word. Yeah, pirate Baird.
Sam:No two words.
Tayla:Pirate Baird O'Connell. Oh my word.
Sam:Okay, hold on. That's what she's saying. That's the full name.
Tayla:Pirate is one of her middle names Pirate.
Sam:I'm saying yes, wow. The internet says yes, wikipedia says yes, unless she. You know.
Tayla:Yeah, yeah, that's dope. Pirate is not far off, I guess, if Pirate is one of the names.
Sam:She was almost Pirate instead of Billy apparently.
Tayla:Oh man, all right, that's.
Sam:So yeah, her mom is Maggie Baird and her dad is Patrick O'Connell.
Tayla:And Pirate. They just really like Pirates, fascinating. Anyway, so often nominees or winners will perform at the Oscars, so I'm just Ken. Oh, you haven't seen Barbie. No, I showed it.
Sam:I need to see it. There's a lot of movies I need to see apparently.
Tayla:Barbie, though, oh man I haven't seen Oppenheimer either. I haven't seen it either. Yeah, we need to watch. Okay, here we have Killers of the Thar Moon, oppenheimer Barbie. We have to watch it. But there's a song and you're just not going to understand how iconic it is unless you've seen the movie. It's called I'm Just Ken by Ryan Gosling, and he performed it live at the Oscars and it was amazing, crazy, wild, so good. Another performance that I remember was A Star Is Born Do you remember that movie?
Tayla:With Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper. They performed one of their songs for the Oscars and it was amazing. They were very good. Yeah, I love seeing performances back from these award shows because I feel like it is a lot of pressure they're performing for, not just fans, like for the industry. I feel like people pull it out really well for the most part. So let's talk about some key moments from this year's 96 Academy Awards, and this is because it just happened on Sunday. I felt like people might be interested to know without having to do the research themselves. So Oppenheimer some main key things. Oppenheimer dominated with a bunch of different things, so performances, visual effects, et cetera. So Oppenheimer was a front row throughout the awards season and it won best picture. So both a critical and a commercial success. So we got to watch it, but that's pretty cool. Sillian Murphy or Killian Murphy I actually don't know how you pronounce that Do you know he's the guy from? Yeah, yeah.
Sam:Peaky Blinders.
Tayla:Peaky Blinders. That's right. So he's one of those people that's been a really long respected actor, finally received his due, apparently, and ended up winning Best Actor, and he kind of spoke about the challenges of portraying someone that was so complex and dedicated the win to his family and the film's crew. So that's pretty cool.
Sam:Awesome.
Tayla:Robert Downey Jr was also an Oppenheimer, apparently, and he also won Best Supporting Actor, so I think that's his first Oscar win as well. He's been in a bunch of blockbuster commercial successes but not a lot of award successes, so a lot of people thought the award would go to a co-star, josh Stewart, but he won. It's kind of having to come back right now, which is pretty cool. And then, as I said, barbie had a bunch of nominations. I do think that Barbie did get snubbed in Oscar nominations for Best Actress, for example, best Film. It wasn't in there and it really is amazing, but they did. They were, I think, nominated in eight categories, but they only won one, which was Best Original Song, and that was what Was I Made For by Billy.
Sam:Haddish.
Tayla:So they won something. And then I already spoke about the Emma Stone Lily Gladstone Face Off, so did a really good job. Let's talk about hosting award shows. That is tricky. We've talked a little bit about this. I think a year ago we talked about the Slap incident with Will.
Sam:Smith.
Tayla:Oh yeah, who was that?
Sam:There was Will Smith and Chris Rock.
Tayla:Chris Rock.
Sam:Yeah.
Tayla:So typically these are hosted by comedians, right? What do you think about the whole just culture around hosting and having the host be kind of like insulting the people there to be applauded? I don't know.
Sam:So I think inside jokes and poking fun of yourselves is good. Obviously, make it so everyone feels like they're in and part of the jokes is necessary, because I feel like as soon as it becomes more like bullying, it's not really cool.
Sam:Everyone else is laughing but those that you're poking fun of are not laughing Again, unless everyone's kind of in on it. There could be something droggyty that's been said or something that's hurtful, but you know this person actually kind of likes that sort of thing. Or you know that everyone was treated the same way, Everyone was joked at the same way. I think that's fine. If you start singling out people and you start kicking down, that's.
Tayla:Yeah, yeah.
Sam:I think, stop being funny.
Tayla:I remember that I think Seth Rogen, he's the adult animated show guy right and he can sing like Family Guy.
Sam:Seth Rogen is the actor. Oh, not, so yeah, yeah, yeah, seth McFarland.
Tayla:Seth McFarland.
Tayla:He hosted one year I think it was the Oscars or something and he did a whole musical number about boobs and they might have even been just Kate Winslet's boobs, but anyway I remember that I feel like again, as a comedian, I feel like it's your duty or, in order to be good at your job, you have to have an idea of how someone will take a joke. And someone like Kate Winslet, who has got a great sense of humor and just really funny, not a big deal, right. I feel like you got to know who the prickly people are right and just leave them alone, kind of.
Sam:Yeah, I don't know.
Tayla:But then again it's also like do you just leave people alone that don't have a good sense of humor? Maybe not, I don't know, but apparently Jimmy Kimmel hosted this year. I feel like a lot of comedians are not super interested in doing it anymore.
Sam:No, I think Ricky Gervais might have kind of tainted that. So he went pretty hard on the Academy, like he would make fun of that. We have an award show and we all get to pat ourselves on the back kind of thing. And he went hard, though didn't sit nicely like that. So I think, and they hated that, they absolutely hated that. I mean I think they invited him back one more time because he just was so popular but he's never, ever been back.
Tayla:They've never tamed him. No, yeah, and I feel like, especially with what happened with Chris Rock, and like I just think a lot of people are like I don't really want to touch that. And like I know Trevor Noah has talked about like not being super interested in hosting Oscars. He did host the Grammys this year, I believe. Yeah, um, just a different vibe, I suppose. But speaking of award shows, okay, this came up as a memory that didn't. The more I thought about it, the more I was like that didn't really happen, right, like I couldn't even tell you when Taylor Swift wins, I think, best album.
Sam:Oh, it did happen and I saw that.
Tayla:Okay, tell me.
Sam:Um, kanye West, uh, literally um jumps up on stage and takes the mark from the acceptance speech, the acceptance speech from Taylor Swift and says, um, basically it's something to the effect of I'm going to, I'll give you your moment, I'll give you the the mic, and basically just says that I think it was Beyonce actually had the best album of the year, or something like that.
Tayla:Yeah, like essentially you didn't deserve it. Who let him up there? He just got it.
Sam:He just got up there, I remember.
Tayla:I just feel like, and I remember at the time it was relatively controversial in that some people were like he was right and some people were like, but he was a douchebag. He, yeah, it didn't, I just don't like, it doesn't matter if he's right.
Sam:I remember the phrase I'mma let you finish. I think that's the phrase he used I'mma let you finish, Amazing.
Tayla:Horrible, and so that's like an award show drama. I do think there's been a little more like feuding in the music scene, like I remember when Miley Cyrus posted the Grammys back when like it was wrecking bowl kind of era. There was some Nicki Minaj callouts. For some reason I feel like it's so unnecessary. I'm like just seriously, don't hijack a whole ceremony for your own personal agenda. But yeah, it's just fascinating to kind of look into again. People love it. I hate that, people love it, but I just what.
Sam:Well, speaking of loving it, there's a study here. We got a look at the study that says people worship people who worship celebrities to compensate of. People worship celebrities to compensate for personal or social defects. This is a poor mental state is related to celebrity worship. There's a significant correlation between social anxiety and celebrity worship.
Tayla:I can see that and I feel like that's the same with like social media celebrities to like influence people just being very obsessed with other people and their lives.
Sam:And that can go into all sorts of things. Like politicians, you know where people are struggling with their own lives and their own like sense of competencies and you know control in their life and struggling with lots of anxieties. They look to celebrities politicians and actors and singers. I just want to remind all those people that those celebrities are not.
Tayla:They're just as incompetent as you are.
Sam:Yeah they are. They've just either really good at a single thing or that thing, or they've been very fortunate in their life. If you look into it, there's something that I got to learn.
Tayla:Most people in the industry are there through connection through some sort of connection.
Sam:Yeah, I agree, it's fascinating.
Tayla:It is fascinating. Excuse me, it's getting late, but I do think I don't know. That's a hard balance because I don't think I worship celebrities, but I am a fan of celebrities, Like if someone is very good at what they do. I love appreciating that.
Tayla:I feel like that's a hard line to find and I feel like it's probably a healthy thing to check yourself every once in a while and be like all right, is my fandom kind of bordering on what am I compensating for? Or is it like, oh, they're very, very good and that's what you're focused on? But, all in all, not a huge fan of award shows, but I do. I see the value in them. I hope that they continue, because I do think it's very cool to just evaluate things and see them evaluated. Tv and film and music is so important to society these days and will continue to be so, if not increasingly so, so I like it. Maybe I'll watch it sometime next time award season comes up. Maybe we can actually watch it. But we have a good amount of movies to watch. Thanks for listening to the babe. What do you know about? Podcast.
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