Jeffrey Epstein

Imagine peeling back the veneer of high society to reveal a chilling network of criminal activity, one where the rich and powerful operate with seeming impunity. That's exactly what we're unpacking together in our latest episode—a journey through the disturbing saga of Jeffrey Epstein. We kick things off with some light-hearted banter and personal reflections, but it isn't long before we steer into the murky waters of Epstein's rise from a peculiar teacher to a financier with questionable ties. With the Miami music scene as a backdrop, Sam shares firsthand accounts of the excess and danger that mirror the dark underbelly of Epstein's world.

We scrutinize Epstein's bafflingly lenient plea deal and the systemic breakdowns that allowed his predatory behavior to go unchecked for so long. High-profile connections come under the microscope, revealing unsettling affiliacies with a convicted sex offender. And while we grapple with Epstein's crimes and the lawsuits that followed, our discussion becomes a poignant reminder for the need to stand firm against the normalization of abuse.

The episode reaches a crescendo as we dissect the enigmatic circumstances of Epstein's demise, marked by perplexing irregularities and conspiracy theories. Applauding the legal decisions that kept Epstein detained, we nevertheless question the veracity of the official suicide ruling. The Inspector General's report is pored over, with its criticisms and conclusions leaving us both intrigued and skeptical. This isn't just a recounting of events—it's an urgent call to ensure that not even the most powerful can evade the spotlight of justice.

Transcript

Sam: 0:10

Welcome to Babe. What do you know about the podcast with your favorite husband and wife duo, Sam?

Tayla: 0:16

and Tayla. Each week we dive deep into a new subject, blending fun and seriousness to push boundaries and buttons.

Sam: 0:24

Get ready to expand your knowledge, challenge your perspectives and have a blast along the way.

Tayla: 0:33

It's mind-boggling to me how one trip to the ocean for like one day would make it so that you look like you're Maybe a different race than I am so white right now and you are so 10 from that one day.

Sam: 0:48

Yeah, I didn't. Even I don't. I mean, I still look, blinded me what you know to myself. I didn't realize I was tan very tan for middle of winter.

Tayla: 1:00

Utah, you're looking like you went in fate bait or something.

Sam: 1:04

That's hilarious. Yeah, no, it's a good trip. We went to the beach one day. Was which beach?

Tayla: 1:09

you're in California.

Sam: 1:10

Laguna just and then around a few coves so just north of Laguna Beach, like around like Bushman's Cove, divers coven in a little bit south of Laguna Beach In like thousand steps kind of thing.

Tayla: 1:24

Hopefully that means something to someone.

Sam: 1:26

Google them through amazing little hidden spots, like we can walk around Laguna and you know see a crowd. But you know the food was really good.

Tayla: 1:39

Like a little bit food, yeah.

Sam: 1:40

so I had seafood, and then I also went to this awesome Mediterranean food. Not no, it's not Mediterranean, it's Middle Eastern food.

Tayla: 1:49

Sorry, israeli food.

Sam: 1:49

Yeah, israeli food that's horribly wrong with Mediterranean, but yeah, no, it's super good Made there with a friend that's gonna be helping with the game.

Tayla: 2:01

The game what did you eat there?

Sam: 2:04

So like special hummus, special lamb, special like. Just like a certain beef that was really good and it was all kind of like group share kind of plate stuff, so it was really cool. Oh, my favorite thing were these mushrooms. It was kind of like grilled mushrooms that were Cooked to perfection, and I don't like mushrooms.

Tayla: 2:24

I was gonna say you like the taste of mushrooms, but not mushrooms like the texture is usually a little slimy, but this was like crispy.

Sam: 2:32

They made it crispy somehow. It was so good. It was my favorite thing sounds amazing. Yeah, I wish I could remember the name. Oh, I sent you the the link. Do you remember the name?

Tayla: 2:43

of the place.

Sam: 2:43

Yeah no. Oh, so sorry, was in LA somewhere nice.

Tayla: 2:50

Thousands of other restaurants, yeah, but it was good to have you back. It was a lot Without you. And then you went on a business trip last week. I'm going on a business trip next week, so it's a lot. Also, our daughter's turning full full, not this week.

Sam: 3:10

Yeah, do a little pool party.

Tayla: 3:13

Yeah, we're doing it, indoor poop pool party. Hopefully not that's what you wanted to do. It feels weird to me because I feel like four years old is not a toddler.

Tayla: 3:25

Oh, she's a little kid now right, but like officially and I don't Don't like that I actually was my friend Claudia and I I talk about her a lot because we talk like every day. But she was saying that in her mind kids between like four and four teenish are kind of invisible to society, like people just don't pay that much attention to them or have as much patience for them as Little kids or teenagers, and I think that's interesting and kind of true and kind of sad Because they're still so baby in their brains but they start to look like kids, like their limbs and but it's wild, for there'll be fun pool pot Pivoting quite strongly and we're gonna talk about our topic for the day, so let me do my little introduction and.

Tayla: 4:14

We'll get into a pretty heavy topic. Here we go. That was I, was in the wrong thing. All right, here we go. Jeffrey Epstein the name conjures images of private islands, powerful friends and unimaginable wealth. But beneath the veneer of glamour lurked a sinister reality a serial predator who abused young girls for years. Epstein is believed to have abused hundreds of girls, some as young as 14. His network of enablers and co-conspirators stretched across the globe, reaching into the world of finance, politics and entertainment. Despite his crimes, Epstein enjoyed a life of privilege and impunity for decades. But this isn't just a story about one man. It's about the systems that allowed him to operate, the victims who came forward and the ongoing fight for justice. In this episode, we're gonna delve deep into the dark world of Jeffrey Epstein, exploring facts, conspiracies and unanswered questions. So, babe, what do you know about Jeffrey Epstein?

Sam: 5:10

That he didn't kill himself. That's about it.

Tayla: 5:14

Okay, the memes do we want it? Okay, I was like we're gonna talk about that. Definitely feels a little out of place right now, but yes you don't believe that he did you? You think he killed himself.

Sam: 5:25

No, I believe he didn't kill himself For real, yeah.

Tayla: 5:29

I felt like in our conspiracy theories episode you weren't thinking that he killed himself.

Sam: 5:33

Rewind the tapes.

Tayla: 5:35

Yeah, I guess we literally. But let's talk a little bit about. Excuse me, guys, I'm still recovering from whatever the hell we had. That's why my voice is still this way and I'm still having little coughs here and there. But let's talk a bit about who he is.

Tayla: 5:53

For people who don't know, I kind of did a bit of an introduction and then we'll get into the rest of everything else. So let's start with when he's from. He's from Brooklyn, I believe, new York City, and he attended just public schools and he ended up working as a physics and mathematics teacher for teens At the Dalton school of the Upper East side of Manhattan. I didn't know that he worked as a teacher, which is weird. Anyway, he began to teach at the school, but despite having like no credentials. So he was a teacher with no credentials that worked there.

Tayla: 6:28

He was apparently very charismatic and Treated his students more like friends than their teacher, which is sounds very ominous knowing how he treated young girls now, but apparently he allegedly showed inappropriate behavior towards underage female students at that time, paying them constant attention and even showing up at a party where young people were drinking. According to former students, they are also often saw him flirting with female students and eventually he was dismissed for poor, poor preferment, poor prefer, wow you say it poor performance. And that's when he started working in banking and financial consulting, which is where, evidently, he made a lot of his money because he ended up being a very, very rich person. Did you know he was a teacher? Mm-hmm, seems sketch. So what? What do you know about him? Because you're from what an area of the country, or not from? You lived in an area on the country and among the you know the, the highbrow's there in Miami.

Sam: 7:29

Okay, I wouldn't call it that. To clarify, in a previous life I lived in Miami and got involved with the music scene there, and when I say music, I mean like the electronic and so the club.

Sam: 7:42

So you can vote the clubs and then getting involved the clubs. You end up getting involved with kind of the behind the scenes Dark you know kind of stuff. You don't really know this going into the music industry. You just kind of like, oh wow, I didn't realize all this other stuff is going on, so like drugs and gangs and you know lots of money kind of stuff. Stuff as is an entertainer, you go like whoa like.

Tayla: 8:08

As a newer entertainer, I'm sure.

Sam: 8:13

So, when Ted was talking about like because we were chatting about this beforehand like in terms of experiences that I've had I don't know anything about Jeffrey Epstein in particular, but I do know about a lot of the types of activities that people that would get involved with, you know, going to islands and getting involved with underage girls. So, for example, my first few experiences going to a club in Miami, and again so I was going as like a clubgoer, I was going as a musician, so I'd get in like first you get to the VIP booth and the DJ booth and afterwards you're like hanging out with the people that own the club and then, because of that, you're getting, you know, getting to hang out with people that are just behind the scenes of all sorts of things. And anyways, like I had a conversation with actually someone that ended up being our manager for a short period and he just knew everyone. Just knew everyone. He was from a very wealthy family. His dad is like owns billions of dollars of property or something that. So he just wants to get into entertainment management or something. So, as he was like telling us like because he would open any door for us was the craziest thing I've ever seen like we'd just go to these. It was hard enough to get into a club in Miami, but then hard enough to get into the, you know the VIP area, and then hard enough to get into the DJ booth, but then afterwards it was we're getting into places that, like you'd see, other select just celebrities. It was just celebrities in there and it'd be like one of the places was called like Soho Beach House, but then they were like private rooms beyond private rooms and there was always like six layers of security.

Sam: 9:50

And in one of those conversations back in, those things was just talking about how do you get like, what is all this like this is just weird to me. And he was just saying that basically it was his job and people like his jobs and he said in these areas I can get you whatever you want. This was part of his pitch to me at the time and I was like, well, what do you mean? Like what? Everyone? Because I'm just thinking, oh, drugs and alcohol, like things like that. No, he, and so he, clever as no, like anything. You want girls, you want this, you want that, and then you kind of like, was like, but anything you know, like, kind of would.

Sam: 10:23

Like a wink and a nod like a wink and a nod, like anything, and I was just like, well, that's a bizarre like, because, you know, I didn't realize it was that you like, once you behind the curtain is a network of people that have access to weird things. So, like you know, he's these people like, one step removed from people like Christine Maxwell, who was the Women that fizzling ha Gizling. Gizley, sorry, gizling it's a weird name yeah, and she, she's the one that provided, or the girls, for if steens.

Tayla: 10:57

Yes, you would like to groom, recruit them and groom them for trafficking.

Sam: 11:01

Essentially, yeah exactly so she would make relationships with you know, the modeling agencies and the promoter girls and Meccedra, and then groom them to be like, hey, do you want to come do a photo shoots in this island, in the where? And that that was a very real thing. I was bizarre to me because I'm, you know, not from that world or not. You know, like this was like, you know, 15 years ago and I was like what you see in the movies, like other, just this is just exaggerating exaggerating the experience, but really it's like, oh no, people live like this and it's truly like Shocking and scary and that's one of the big reasons.

Sam: 11:38

moved out of Miami, moved away from music scene, was like I realized like this is A very dark and dangerous thing. So when you hear about the Epstein story, it's not like this is just A one person thing. This is ongoing right now and he was just one person that was caught and he was obviously a very powerful, you know person, but it's still going on. There's still a lot of sex trafficking, there's a lot of minor stuff going on, and if you're rich and powerful, you can have whatever you want.

Tayla: 12:09

it's scary yeah, it's gross. So he was known. Epstein was known as a very charismatic party going guy and so a lot of people Were really drawn to him and liked him and it was status thing to be friends kind of in the community and so that's why in March 2005. When there was kind of initial think, all the people around Jeffrey were all like crap, I know him and we hang out and all, maybe even sadly I've seen this myself and didn't say anything. So let me get into some logistics of this. So March 2005.

Tayla: 12:48

A woman contacted Florida's police department and alleged that her 14 year old stepdaughter had been taken to Epstein's mansion by an older girl and while they were there she was allegedly paid $300 to strip and massage Epstein so he's having 14 year old girls brought to his home to do this and she had allegedly undressed and left the encounter wearing her underwear. The police then began a 13 month undercover investigation, including a search of his home, and the police chief, michael writer, publicly accused the Palm Beach County State Prosecutor, barry Krischer, of being too lenient and called for help from the FBI. So that's when the FBI gets involved and that's again the sketchy thing is because he was so powerful because of all these things, that leniency kind of follows him, to be honest. So the FBI becomes involved. The police alleged that Epstein had paid several girls to perform sexual acts with him and interviews with five alleged victims and 17 witnesses under oath and a high school transcript and other items found in Gyps Epstein's trash, showed that some girls involved were under 18, the youngest being 14, with many under 16. So they search his home. They find hidden cameras, large amounts of photos of the girls throughout the house and some of whom the police had interviewed themselves during their investigation.

Tayla: 14:12

A former model from Poland named Adriana Russ, who had become an assistant to Epstein and reported, removed computer drives and other electronic equipment from the mansion before the search and he ordered a bunch of books. He had incriminating Amazon receipts containing books on S&M. So the books he ordered were titled S&M 101 a realistic introduction to slave craft, roadmaps for erotic servitude, principle, skills and tools, and then training with Miss Abernathy, a workbook for erotic slaves and their owners Weird frigging stuff. So other former employees tell police that he, epstein, would receive massages three times a day and the FBI compiled compiles reports on 34 confirmed minors eligible for a restitution whose allegations of sexual abuse by Epstein included corroborating details, so that's just the people who had evidence for it. There was an expose in 2018 which identified 80 victims, and let's see.

Tayla: 15:20

Details from the investigation include allegations of a 12 year old or 12 year old triplets who were flown in from France for Epstein's birthday and flown back the following day after being abused by him, and then other girls recruited from Brazil and other South American countries, former Soviet countries, europe, etc. Etc. As you said, modeling agencies often involved. So a lot of these agencies supplied these girls to Epstein. So he literally even trafficked girls from other countries in, abuse them and traffic them, send them right back out. So this whole investigation clearly brings up a lot. I mean, this is as you can imagine. This is a lot of not only allegations and they're like holy crap, this is a serial predator but a lot of evidence for that. So what is your guess on what would happen to someone who had an FBI investigation and had this all happen and evidence for it? What do you think would happen to someone like that?

Sam: 16:19

Clearly goes to jail.

Tayla: 16:21

Right. So in May 2006 the police file a probable cause affidavit saying that he should be charged with four counts of unlawful sex with minors and one count of sexual abuse. And then he's arrested in July on state felony charges and he was booked and later released on a $3,000 bond not very much, and he had a bunch of defense lawyers blah, blah, blah. But what actually ends up happening is they also find co-conspirators with him and they essentially he gets offered a lenient plea deal because Acosta, who was the prosecutor, was told that Epstein belonged to intelligence, was above his pay grade and to leave it alone. So essentially, this guy gets lied to and threatened to be super lenient on Epstein. And so Epstein agrees to plead guilty in Florida and he gets 18 months in prison and registers as a sex offender and pays restitution to a few of the victims. The plea deal was later described as a sweetheart deal. So for all of that for literally raping, abusing at least 30 plus girls he gets 18 months in prison.

Sam: 17:50

Insane.

Tayla: 17:51

It is insane. So he gets out in 2007, which I feel, like a lot of people. This wasn't as much on people's radar at the time, right, I don't know. I was much younger in 2006 than you were.

Sam: 18:08

No, I wasn't married at all.

Tayla: 18:10

It wasn't widely being talked about or anything. So things start to get really interesting when let's see. Well, actually I wanna talk about the conditions of these 18 months in prison for this rapist. His cell door was left unlocked. He had access to the attorney room where a television was installed for him. He worked at the office of a foundation he had created shortly before reporting to jail, at which he then dissolved after he served his time. So he essentially made himself a job in prison and then got rid of it. When he left, the sheriff's office received $128,000 from his nonprofit to pay for the costs of quote extra services being provided and, excuse me, his office was monitored by permit deputies whose overtime was paid for by Epstein. He literally paid his own monitors, or prison guards, and he required them to wear suits and checked in quote welcome guests at the front desk, and Epstein was allowed to use his own driver to drive him between jail and his office and other appointments. So he literally didn't even stay in jail the whole time.

Sam: 19:24

Oh, it's like his thought. You know it's sleepy home.

Tayla: 19:26

Yep. So I mean he's supposed to serve 18 months in jail. How many months do you think he actually served? Six, 13.

Sam: 19:34

Yeah.

Tayla: 19:35

He served 13 months and was released July 22nd 2009. And he was on probation for a year, but he was allowed numerous trips in his corporate jet during his probation. He was allowed long shopping trips quote for exercise. I didn't know any of this, by the way, like this is all news to me. And let's see, he was a level three, high risk of repeat offense sex offender, but the district attorney had argued unsuccessfully, that he should be a level one. So this is just absolutely ridiculous. All of this is disgusting and there were quite a lot. There was a bit of, you know, fallback from that, but not much. So let's, I mean he kind of just lives his life. A lot of people continue to interact with him after he's released from jail For example, bill Gates, who he has defenses for why he was but a lot of people including, like different scientists, well-known people continue to interact and associate with him and I mean with him after this happened, which is insane to me. What excuse could you give?

Sam: 20:50

Oh, I don't think there's a valid excuse. I think it's obviously there. He was connected to, and friends with, a lot of very high powered individuals you know presidents, former presidents, people behind the scenes that can move things along in the Senate and in Congress. Yeah, so that's why you know he was just connected with everyone and I feel like there's probably people that had very vested interest in him not sharing and divulging information about their time together. So again, why I don't think he killed himself?

Tayla: 21:28

I mean yeah, we're gonna. That's a wild story. Who are we gonna get into?

Sam: 21:31

Yeah.

Tayla: 21:32

But I agree. I think it's still, though is wild to me Like people will apparently literally sell their souls for money because, just knowing what he had done and this is before people were crying fake news at everything. It's not like he was denying any of it, he literally played guilty and people still like oh yeah, you rape a bunch of girls, that's fine, we'll be buddies still Like that's. The weird thing is like there wasn't even that excuse that people didn't believe he hadn't done it Like they did. They knew he had. So then things get interesting in 2014.

Sam: 22:10

Yes.

Tayla: 22:11

And that's probably when, I think, most people are in the know of this. So, December 30th 2014, a civil suit is then filed by a Jane Doe number one, who's later identified as Courtney Wilde and Jane Doe two against the United States for violations of criminal victims rights act. So they accused a few people, including Epstein, of abusing minors, and the document filed in court alleged to that Epstein ran a sexual abuse ring and lent underage girls to prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister and other world leaders. So it was a super long running lawsuit. And on April 7th 2015, Judge Kenneth Mara ruled that the allegations made by the victims, or by a particular victim, Virginia Roberts, against Prince Andrew, one of the other abusers he said that that had no bearing on the lawsuit on other victims. Again, like the judges and all the people, these rulings just don't make sense. They vary and that's where you're just like, wow, this goes so deep because this judge didn't allow evidence that was clearly, I mean, of another perpetrator specifically connected to underage girls from Epstein like, didn't allow and said it had no bearing on the case. And then, let's see, I wanna kind of skip ahead.

Tayla: 23:43

This is when Gisling Maxwell comes in. So in the sworn affidavit let's find the name of this woman, Virginia I cannot pronounce her last name, G-I-U-F-F-R-E, formerly known as Virginia Roberts. She alleged that at 817, she had been sexually trafficked by Epstein and Gisling Maxwell for their own use and for use by several others, including Prince Andrew and retired Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz. So she claims that they physically abused and sexually abused her and that the FBI may have been involved in a cover-up. So that's what she alleges. She said she served as Epstein's sex slave from 1999 to 2002 and had used her to recruit other underage girls. All of these people denied having sex with her and even took legal action against her.

Tayla: 24:35

And then she also feel foul the suit against Gisling Maxwell specifically for her involvement in trafficking her and also abusing her herself. So in this she says that she was directed by Maxwell to give erotic massages and engage in sexual activities with Prince Andrew, Jean-Luc Brunel, Glenn Dubin, Marvin Minsky, Governor Bill Richardson another N-name prince, an unnamed foreign president, a well-known prime minister and an unnamed hotel chain owner from France, among others. And on August 9th, less than 24 hours before Epstein's death, 2000 pages of previously sealed documents from the case were released. And then stuff starts to come out in 2016 about Donald Trump's involvement with Epstein. So what do you know about that?

Sam: 25:28

I just know that he went, there were friends on some level, he also spoke highly of her and so and they attended numerous or a number of parties together. That's about as much as I know for sure. Beyond that, I think it's just speculation at least, or guessing. Yeah, I mean connect the dots kind of thing you know yes and no.

Tayla: 25:56

So there was a lawsuit in 2016 in which there is an actual affidavit that a woman alleges that Trump and Epstein together sexually assaulted her at a series of parties when she was 13 years old in 1994. So that's like an official under testimony, oath under oath testimony that Trump not only was at these parties and was friends with Epstein, but that he participated in assault of minors. So it's a pretty big deal. Just a bunch of stuff. I mean there's so many. I'll just list the lawsuits against Epstein, but I won't get into them all because there's very many.

Tayla: 26:38

So there's Sarah Ransom versus Epstein and Maxwell Bradley, Edwards Deffirmation versus Epstein. Maria Farmer versus Epstein and Maxwell Jennifer Arales versus Epstein and Maxwell. Caitlin Doe and et al versus Epstein's estate. Jane Doe versus Epstein's estate. Theresa Helm, et al versus Epstein's estate. Actually, there's like probably 10 more, 10 more, and the big one was that in 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and charged with by the federal government with a second case, and this was for sex trafficking specifically, not just sex abuse. So this is when things really got interesting. What do you know about?

Tayla: 27:25

No, I mean oh no, okay, Sorry, there's a lot of talking from Tayla this time, but they searched this house again. They turn up evidence of sex trafficking and found hundreds and perhaps thousands of sexually suggestive photographs of fully or partially nude females, many of them confirmed as underage females, and they had handwritten labels such as young quote young and then a name and a name, et cetera, et cetera. So there was also found in a safe $70,000 in cash, 48 diamonds, fraudulent passports and other things. So Epstein requests that this time to be released on bond offering to post a hundred million dollars, which is denied. So the first time that Epstein kind of is facing the music.

Tayla: 28:15

So I'm gonna name US District Judge Richard Berman and applaud him for doing that. And on August 29th, 19 days after he was found I guess that's a spoiler. So he ends up being found dead after that arrest, when he was not released on bail. So let's talk a bit about the timing of the death. What do you know or what do you think about About why do people think that he, so his death was ruled as a suicide. We'll talk about the details of that in a minute, but tell us why people think he didn't kill himself.

Sam: 29:02

From what I can remember. So I think the biggest thing is that I mean he'd be getting there's a few things, so he'd be getting away with it for so long. So it would be a very weird thing to feel like you would suddenly feel like this is the end and not like I'm just gonna get out of this. The second is that he killed himself in between the guards changing posts, so there wasn't a guard there to see him kill himself. Strange considering that you know he was a very high profile case and, you know, at risk of Outing a bunch of people and making deals.

Tayla: 29:46

Yeah, he apparently was going to be outing a bunch of people.

Sam: 29:50

I think that was part of. That was the rumor. Yeah, that was the rumor that he was going to be making, you know, trying to make deals again like he had previously.

Tayla: 29:59

Yeah, so you bring up a bunch of interesting things. Why don't you get into, like, the details of the death?

Sam: 30:06

All right. So again, this is just. This is not my memory of it, this is from the internet, so hopefully my sources were good. So they said they found him basically unconscious on the floor at early hours of the morning with marks around his neck. His cellmate was the former New York City police officer who was at the time awaiting trial for four counts of murder.

Tayla: 30:32

So this is before the day that he died, so this is he's injured, and so they had found marks around his neck days before, so it looked like he'd been attacked, right?

Sam: 30:45

Yeah, okay, he did not having any knowledge of what happened. This is the guy with him. Correctional staff suspected attempted suicide, but did not rule out the possibility that it was staged or that it was an assault. According to NBC News, two sources said that Epstein might have tried to hang himself, a third said the injuries were not serious and could have been staged, and a fourth source said that an assault by his cellmate had not been ruled out. After that incident he was placed on suicide watch. Six days later, epstein was taken off suicide watch and placed in a special housing unit with another inmate. Epstein's closest associate said he was in good spirits. It continues on. When Epstein was placed in the special housing unit, the jail informed the justice department that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. His procedures were not followed on the night of his death.

Tayla: 31:36

That's where it's suspicious yeah.

Sam: 31:39

Later in the evening. Contrary to the jail's normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes. The two guards who were assigned to check his jail unit that night fell asleep and did not check on him for about three hours. The guards falsified related records. Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell also malfunctioned at night.

Tayla: 31:58

Yeah, so this is why I, like I said, this is a conspiracy theory, that I believe that like. What are the odds?

Sam: 32:07

He definitely did not kill himself, right.

Tayla: 32:10

Oh, two cameras in front of his cell happened to malfunction at the same time that our guards fell asleep and also, for some reason, falsified that they that that happened. I mean it's insane. So sorry, I interrupted.

Sam: 32:23

No, it's totally fine. So before I go on with the document, it's for me. My theory is that obviously it's some politician or some some some powerful person that's got super secret special like military CIA, like kind of connections that can just be like hey, I'm calling in a favor. You know, this is bad for us, this is bad for the country, this is bad for blah, blah, blah.

Tayla: 32:46

Also here's millions of dollars.

Sam: 32:47

Yeah, this is like the spy movies.

Tayla: 32:49

This is this is literally just like all those stupid movies.

Sam: 32:52

You see me like man. It never happened, except it did for this. Right now, that's what I think. Anyways, epstein was found dead in this cell at 6 30am. The Bureau of Prisons said life saving measures were initiated, Emergency responders were called and he was taken to the hospital. Attorney General William Barr called the death an apparent suicide, although no final determination has been made. The United States Department of Justice Inspector General's investigation report released on June 27th 2023. So pretty recently, chris Sars jail officials for repeated negligence, misconduct and outright job performance failures in connection with Epstein's incarceration and death. It also refuted the suggestion that what happened was anything other than a suicide.

Tayla: 33:40

So that's why I'm like why are so many people just insisting that this wasn't a suicide and that's the like? The autopsy stuff isn't actually reaffirming?

Sam: 33:51

That's just sweeping the problem under the rug. That's what this is like, I know.

Tayla: 33:56

So talk about the autopsy, okay.

Sam: 33:59

So, august 16th 2019, barbara Sanson, the New York City medical examiner, ruled Epstein's death a suicide by hanging. The medical examiner, according to Epstein's defense counsel, only saw nine minutes of footage from one security camera to help her arrive at her conclusion. Epstein's defense lawyers were not satisfied with the conclusion of the medical examiner and were conducting their own independent investigation into the cause of Epstein's death, including taking legal action if necessary to view the pivotal camera footage near his cell during the night of his death. Epstein's lawyers said that the evidence concerning Epstein's death was far more consistent with murder than suicide. Michael Badden, an independent pathologist hired by the Epstein estate, observed autopsy in October of 2019. Badden said that Epstein had experienced a number of injuries, among them a broken bone in his neck, that are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. Badden stated that he thinks that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide.

Tayla: 35:10

Dun dun dun. Nine minutes of footage about such a high profile case involving so many people and you're like comfortable being like. This was for sure a suicide. No, somebody find the money. Barbara did not do her job. That's what I think.

Sam: 35:29

Well, I mean it's clearly some of the people on that list, that's now being pushed out or released, I guess.

Tayla: 35:39

They don't want to be like connected with the murder as well.

Sam: 35:44

Anyone's guess, but I would suggest all the most corrupt people that you can think of on the list. First, Absolutely.

Tayla: 35:50

Well, let's talk about the list, because it kind of exists, at least some of it. I don't think there's now that he's dead, which is the point of killing him. Probably there's no way to know for sure all of the people that were involved in trafficking and abusing and raping girls. But due to another civil case, a judge ruled that names connected to Jeffrey were released, but there is a bit of a misconception about it, which is that if they're on the list it means that they were like part, like they were abusers as well. That's not the case. So the list includes everyone involved.

Sam: 36:33

So it includes accusers, it includes alleged victims, it includes people with only tangential connections to Epstein, and they just happen to be pulled in to the lawsuit against Gisela Maxwell, who is still alive, and so just this is, again, one of the biggest things I know about this and one of the most important things I know about all these connections is, again, glicene Maxwell basically the person behind doing the grooming for this, who's in jail for 20 years. That was found guilty. When asked about his relationship with her and Trump, he was asked what his thoughts were on her sentencing. He literally says I just wish her well. Frankly, I mean, that's gotta be the most bizarre thing, even if you do think this person's bad and evil and blah, blah, blah and you're like, well, we were friends, but wow, that's so shocking that she was this I had no idea.

Sam: 37:38

But just to say, just that speaks volumes.

Tayla: 37:41

It does, and also Trump has a habit of saying really bizarre things about bad people. I nearly just had a heart attack because, out of nowhere, a helium balloon just like started moving and it was horrifying.

Sam: 37:57

Have you seen the movie it?

Tayla: 37:59

Yes, well, I didn't think about it until now. Now I'm even more horrified. I think the AC or the heat turned on and anyway, that was really scary because it looked like it was outside the window. Anyway, let's talk about some of the people that were listed just recently, just days ago, in this and again, people I'm about to list are not necessarily people accused, but they were associated with absinthe. So, obviously, gisela Maxwell is on the list. She's a former girlfriend and was convicted of sex trafficking in 2021. Prince Andrew is very prominently on the list many times and is someone that is accused. Bill Clinton, not necessarily as an accused, but in association. Donald Trump as an accused. Hillary Clinton, david Copperfield, who's a stage magician. John Connolly he's a police detective who investigated Epstein. Alan Dershowitz, a lawyer. Leonardo DiCaprio, al Gore, richard Branson, who's a British billionaire. Stephen Hawking, physicist Erhard Barak, former Israeli Prime Minister. Michael Jackson, king of Pop, marvin Minsky, ai pioneer, kevin Spacey.

Sam: 39:23

And he's pretty gross in general.

Tayla: 39:25

He is. I mean, he was found not guilty of sexual assault in 2023,. But, yeah, george Lucas, star Wars God. Jean-luc Calpernell he's the model agency boss. He does have some explicitly in the list has involvement with the trafficking part Kate Blanchett, naomi Campbell, heidi Klum, sharon Churchill, bruce Willis, bianca Jagger, cameron Diaz, glenn Dubin I could list, I'm going to try.

Tayla: 39:55

Robert F Kennedy Jr. Oprah isn't Oprah named? Again, there's so many people named. I'm sure she is. There's a lot of people I don't know. There's celebrity hairstylists, butlers. A lot of these people are also victims and some of them are just associated with Parties. He Through Doctors, friends of Epstein's. There's more detectives, more chiefs. Let's see Private pilots for jets. A lot of doctors are listed who? These are a lot of doctors who would treat victims. So I just listed quite a few and there's I mean, this is just on the most recent list and this isn't everything. This is just in connection with this specific case against Gisling, but you can just see how dangerous that potential of that is right, and a lot of these people maybe didn't participate in sex trafficking or abuse, but even the association of their name was something like that. People did not want this list even to come out. Because of that reason, they're like well, I didn't do anything, but I was connected, or I was seen with them, or whatever.

Sam: 41:06

I got invited to a party and I showed up because all the rich and famous people are going to be there.

Tayla: 41:10

And maybe even nothing. I mean, I'm sure there were parties where that stuff didn't happen, I don't know. But yeah, just very powerful, prominent people. But again, I think more telling than just anyone associated with him are the people that associated with him after his guilty, pleading guilty to raping those girls and being released early. Those are the people that, even if they didn't participate, that I'm just like judgment.

Sam: 41:41

You know, I just wish Epstein well, frankly.

Tayla: 41:46

Can you imagine?

Sam: 41:47

that's what he said. That's what Trump said.

Tayla: 41:48

It's literally what he said. It's just bizarre to me he actually said quite a few things about Epstein specifically as well, and he said was like he was.

Sam: 41:59

He was a cool guy or something like that. Yeah, like I really liked girls on the younger side, but he was a cool guy.

Tayla: 42:04

He literally said that, yeah, and that was before the 2019 thing happened, so didn't age well for him, but I just think Power, man, power and money.

Sam: 42:19

I have the solution. Let's load up Tim Ballard with a bunch of guns and then Send him off to these islands, and he can just go crazy film, he can actually do something he can actually do something and he could film it to make a reality TV show.

Tayla: 42:36

Arresting all these arresting all these abusers and all these people conspiring against him. So good.

Sam: 42:43

Oh wait, he's a participant actually, oh wait, he's also a sexual abuser.

Tayla: 42:47

That's the.

Sam: 42:47

I think the moral of the story is that anyone the moral of the story is everything is horrible and you contrast anything and women are F. Wow.

Tayla: 42:59

Literally, though. I mean it is horrible how prominent this is. I think it's so wrong and I think that if you're not actively speaking out against this and acting against this, and if we're not teaching our kids to just have no tolerance for this, even even toe dips in this behavior, then we're missing it. And that's the problem with Trump never mind the racism, never mind the politics is the fact that he, like I, just have no tolerance for the way that he would brag about Seeing undressed girls or grabbing women, like there is no tolerance for that anymore. We cannot allow that to be tolerated, never mind voted for and supported and in power.

Sam: 43:43

That's what I think. I'm nodding my head a lot.

Tayla: 43:47

Yeah, any last thoughts, honestly on the spot.

Sam: 43:53

Honestly, it's just kind of a sad situation. I mean it feels like I keep saying the same stupid things over and over again about how Money and politics is awful. Get you know like get her down.

Sam: 44:04

We want to get change anything you've got at first, get rid of like citizens united. Get rid of, like the the pack system, you know, the the dark money in politics. Get rid of lobbyists like all these things. We're just gonna get money out of politics. If we want to actually have like Consequences for people that do bad things, that are in power like that have power because they're they're literally Safe and protected behind our legal system and our government systems that are supposed to be stopping these things, there's, there's no consequences.

Sam: 44:34

So no step one do that.

Tayla: 44:37

Amen. I mean, accountability has to be huge. We just listed a whole bunch of people that clearly were not being integrates the Detectives, the judges, like that. There's so many people that we that we know clearly we're dirty and nothing's happened to them.

Sam: 44:56

Who said person, you, sharon Sharon.

Tayla: 44:58

Sharon McMahon.

Sam: 45:00

Okay. So if you want to do something like, do something instead of just me complaining, listening to me complain, go, follow her amen and she's got more actionable Solutions. She's got a bigger audience. She can actually she does actionable things. So start there. And she's pretty non-partisan, so Doesn't matter if you left or right to go. Start, keep getting her a bigger voice because I feel like that is someone that is, you know, very centrist, really focused on good things, not a political team thing.

Tayla: 45:33

Yeah, doing the right thing and doing it in a way that is sustainable and makes sense and a lot of that. And she'll say this a lot is vote and Vote for the right people. Yeah, that's what I'll tell you all. It's a big election year Vote for good people. Thanks for listening to the babe. What do you know about? Podcast?

Sam: 45:57

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