Conspiracy Theories

What happens when you question the unquestionable and challenge the popular narrative? Buckle up for an intriguing journey into the world of conspiracy theories, where Sam and Tayla dissect some of history's most notorious alternative explanations, setting a course to unravel the truth from the immense web of speculation, misinformation, and outright fantasy. From the much-debated 9/11 attack conspiracy to the infamous moon landing and the intriguing theory around the earth being flat, they leave no stone unturned. 

Ever wondered about the intrigue surrounding Princess Diana's tragic death or the puzzling activities of the enigmatic QAnon? They delve into these murky waters, sifting through the claims, counterclaims, evidence, and lack thereof. Hold on tight as they also scrutinize some infamous conspiracy theories surrounding Big Tobacco, the Dalai Lama and the alleged existence of a global elite. Whether it's the mystery of the Royal family's involvement in Princess Diana's demise or the shocking claims of a secret cabal of satanic pedophiles and cannibals, brace yourself for a roller coaster ride through the labyrinth of conspiracies.

Through it all, Sam and Tayla maintain a balanced perspective, examining the evidence and arguments put forth by both proponents and detractors of these theories. In this whirlpool of secret plots, hidden truths, and power games, they strive to untangle the threads of fact from fiction, providing you with a clearer understanding of the strange and fascinating world of conspiracy theories. Join us on this mind-bending episode for a thrilling exploration of the unknown and the unexpected. You may find yourself questioning what you've believed to be true all along, and that's perfectly alright. After all, a questioning mind is the gateway to knowledge. Tune in, listen closely, and prepare to be captivated!

Transcript

Sam: 0:10

Welcome to Babe. What do you know about the podcast with your favorite husband and wife duo, Sam

Tayla: 0:16

and Tayla. Each week we dive deep into a new subject, blending fun and seriousness to push boundaries and buttons.

Sam: 0:24

Get ready to expand your knowledge, challenge your perspectives and have a blast along the way.

Tayla: 0:32

So one of my favorite parts about the whole thing is how proud you were of the deal that you got out of the whole thing.

Sam: 0:40

Yeah, no, it was a. I've done my homework on the pricing of Nintendo switches on the Facebook marketplace. The thing, what you have to do, is be ready to execute immediately.

Tayla: 0:52

So as you did as I did.

Sam: 0:54

It was 838 knots and a deal had just come on Facebook marketplace and immediately reached out and he's like first come, first serve and I drove all the way up to Heber to go get it.

Tayla: 1:05

Yeah, we were getting ready to settle down, hang out, watch some suits, and all of a sudden he's like do you care if I drive to Heber? I'm like why?

Sam: 1:15

For games. So the deal was so good, though, because it was half off used prices. So it was really cheap because it's used. But then it was bundled together and half off the used prices. That the cheapest use prices you could find.

Tayla: 1:33

And you've been wanting. I mean, we had a switch and we lent it to someone and it is now gone forever. The two people that I'm pretty sure it's one of them have both denied having it, so we've been without it for a while. You've been trying to get another one for a while.

Sam: 1:50

Yeah, but the price wasn't right. Yeah, it's just expensive to replace something and it's probably just sitting somewhere, you know just how it goes We'll probably find it like in five years time or something.

Tayla: 2:02

Right. So what's been the best part of having one again?

Sam: 2:06

The best part.

Tayla: 2:07

Has it been worth?

Sam: 2:07

it? Oh yeah, for sure. Oh, you know what? So two nights ago played Mario Kart with. Ella, she didn't want to move the controller, but she did want me to like pick the character and you know the car and stuff.

Tayla: 2:23

She like just told you what to do.

Sam: 2:25

Yeah, that was super fun.

Tayla: 2:26

Yeah, she's really into it, so cute. All right, we have a fun episode planned today. It should be really interesting. So let me do my little intro and we can go from there.

Sam: 2:38

Do you have your tin foil hats on though?

Tayla: 2:41

Yeah, that's a good question. I do not, so I'm at risk currently. And with that, welcome to an episode of our podcast that delves specifically into the world of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories have a long and colorful history, captivating the minds of people throughout time, from ancient civilizations to modern societies. These theories have always managed to peak our curiosity and challenge our understanding of the world. Nearly 50% of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory, and 45% of non Americans, which means that millions of people are fascinated by these alternative narratives that question official explanations and offer alternative perspectives. Conspiracy theories even have made their mark on popular culture, inspiring books, movies and even influencing major historical events. Remember the moon landing conspiracy, or how? How about the theories surrounding the assassination of JFK? These tales have captured the public's imagination and given rise to spirited debates that continue to this day. So let's dive right in and try to separate fact from fiction. So, babe, what do you know about conspiracy theories?

Sam: 3:48

A little bit, so my family is into conspiracy theories.

Tayla: 3:54

Explain that.

Sam: 3:55

So my dad is unabashedly says, you know, he's not into them, but he's like oh yeah, no there's something to it. Oh yeah, so I think for him his was like the New World order stuff back in the day. So New World order is basically there's like the powers that be, so the powerful people in each country, whatever are actually like controlling the whole world, and so when things happen in the news or whatever, it's all kind of part of a bigger plan orchestrated to they're working together.

Tayla: 4:29

Yeah, they're all working together. Is that the same as like Illuminati?

Sam: 4:33

Yeah, it's similar yeah.

Tayla: 4:34

Okay, interesting, very interesting. So you said your family though?

Sam: 4:38

Yeah, so yeah, no, so I've got three brothers and all the different degrees. Order, I'd say I'm probably the least conspiracy theorist. I was for a hot second.

Tayla: 4:51

You were tell us about that.

Sam: 4:53

Okay, so it's 9 11.

Tayla: 4:55

Okay, for real. Yeah, it's 9, 11. Right.

Sam: 4:58

Okay, yeah, so my, my, my, the one, okay, so let me, let me just pull a little time out right here, or quick, to kind of caveat for my family and I guess for myself too. A lot of conspiracies end up being real, so that's something that happens, right. So, like, so no longer becomes this conspiracy theory and just like, oh well, that's just the way it is. That's, you know like these powerful people are doing these things and all this false flag, this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. So there is. So. That's what I think the fun thing about conspiracy theories is that there?

Sam: 5:29

can be something to it. There could be something to it. You know, I'd say the majority of them are, you know, not real. But when you do hit the jackpot and you're the one that was, like, told you vaccines caused this thing, then yeah, you feel like you're a special and you're a long anyway.

Tayla: 5:45

So my example.

Sam: 5:47

The thing that I got into for Hot Second was I was very much around for 9-11.

Tayla: 5:54

Okay so what does that mean? Like you were, like a young adult.

Sam: 5:57

I was an adult, I was in college. The planes hit was and we sat there glued to the television the whole day, like on campus. On campus, you know. It was like we saw it right. Then it was something. How many years later would it be like? Because I was 11. So it was probably 2006.

Sam: 6:21

A movie comes out I think it was called the zeitgeist and it's basically this. It was on the internet. It's got like. It was like one of those first like viral videos that got passed around again 2006. And so I think it was like got onto YouTube or something like that and it's a.

Sam: 6:38

It's basically a conspiracy theory about how 9-11 is an inside job. And they go through like all these different points, just like how it looks like it's demolition, how people knew that you know this was going to happen, how we responded, how we went to war with Iraq after it was the Saudis nationals that did this, or something in London, right, so it's like all these things and tower seven falling down when it, you know, hadn't been hit by a plane, and it kind of went through all these things. And I watched this video and went, oh my gosh, we like it wasn't inside job, 9-11 wasn't inside job orchestrated by the powerful people in the United States, like approved by President Bush, and it was demoed. Look at, look at all the the squib puffs as it goes down the building, as it collapses.

Tayla: 7:23

What a world to live in. It was believe that.

Sam: 7:26

And I believe it for like a solid like I don't remember is either a couple weeks or a couple months I was like fully believing this is the world.

Tayla: 7:33

And I was like I literally.

Sam: 7:35

So I was married to my ex at this time and she saw the video and she saw the. You know, I said I shared it with her and she's like the same thing. She's like oh my gosh. And so we literally had this conversation.

Tayla: 7:45

What do we do? What do you do?

Sam: 7:47

What do you do? What do you tell people? Do you tell people about this, like, what are you supposed to do? Like, again, this is early days of the internet, so you just kind of like whole new world, anyways.

Sam: 7:57

So, but as things happened though, they started becoming like, they started showing like response videos to like guys, and then eventually mythbusters does an episode on all the conspiracy theories and then, after I'd seen all the evidence you know, actually showing like oh no, you know yeah there might, can you know, burn through steel beams and or whatever it was, and you know it shows how it actually did collapse, not wasn't demoed, and showed how tower seven was actually damaged and collapsed and how they showed, like you know, all the evidence of the phone calls and the people and yes, people did know that there was potential for terrorist attacks, but also there were, like you know, layers Anyways, so all the videos, this is one of our theories we're going to talk about, so we'll get into it.

Sam: 8:46

But eventually I, you know, saw the supporting evidence and went well. I'm glad I didn't go off on, like you know, and just live your whole life yeah and I made a commitment to myself after I'd seen those things but okay, next time you see all these conspiracy theories, just give a pause. Suspend belief.

Sam: 9:04

Yeah, just yeah just suspend your disbelief or belief, however you want to say it, and it's worked for me ever since, because a lot of times, if you just hold on for a little bit longer, more information comes out. Do your research and you realize oh, there's more to this than you know. The surprising information that comes out of nowhere and you know starts a new conspiracy, makes sense Okay.

Tayla: 9:28

So let's get into this one and I'm going to have you kind of intro it. Talk about what the conspiracy. Well, this conspiracy theory is for 9, 11.

Sam: 9:37

Okay.

Tayla: 9:38

Since you know so much about it.

Sam: 9:40

Oh, I'm gonna have to.

Tayla: 9:42

It's been a while, but I'm gonna have you explain kind of the main tenets of the conspiracy theory and then let's I think I mean let's make this an official thing, okay, like at the end of a discussion, a healthy, hearty discussion of each conspiracy theory. Let's kind of rate these.

Sam: 10:01

Sure.

Tayla: 10:02

And whether that's I don't believe, or like hoax, could be a hoax or real debunked away. Okay, debunked could be real and real. Okay, yeah, debunked could be real, real. So that's. I think that's going to be a fun cadence for the episode.

Sam: 10:22

Okay, so I'm seeing if I can look this up really quick. The main points the conspiracy for 9 11 are this that the buildings had a controlled demolition. So one of the I'm going to read for a second One of the most prevalent theories suggests that the Twin Towers were brought down by control demolition rather than solely by the impact of the hijacked airplanes. Proponents often point to the speed and symmetry of the collapses as evidence.

Tayla: 10:51

Okay, so would that they are conflating the two that like, because it could have also been demoed. Therefore, it wasn't Al Qaeda. Yes, so so like Al Qaeda, couldn't have been the ones to go in.

Sam: 11:09

Yeah, so the claim of the footage that we've seen and what the official US report is is that hijacked planes flew into the trade centers, world Trade Centers, and they collapsed because of the damage from that. But the theory is is that there are actually it was a controlled demolition and that there previously had been planted this the demo explosives.

Tayla: 11:35

And that couldn't have been done by Al Qaeda.

Sam: 11:37

Yeah, that was an entire job.

Tayla: 11:40

Do they have to go together? Could one believe like one and not the other?

Sam: 11:44

No, that no one believes that Al Qaeda was able to plant explosives throughout the World Trade Center. No.

Tayla: 11:52

Do you know why?

Sam: 11:53

It would be too complicated and too difficult for Al Qaeda to do that versus you know because.

Tayla: 11:59

The government. Yeah, the government would have access to that. But here we are.

Sam: 12:04

Watch the footage.

Tayla: 12:05

No, I have. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. It literally like collapses on itself, floor to floor.

Sam: 12:12

Yeah, but even more interesting than that, if you look slow down, the footage zoom in, because Zeitgeist does. If you look at the fall line, you know where it's collapsing. Right below it you'll see things explode out horizontally. So it looks like there's a controlled demolition, because things explode out like this beneath where it's falling.

Tayla: 12:35

And that wouldn't just be because of the compacting air. Yeah, exactly that's what they're trying to say.

Sam: 12:40

So what's actually happening is things are compacting down and the pressure is forcing things out sideways.

Tayla: 12:45

Before they, even Before it gets you know, to itself. Okay, okay, so that's so. The theory, though, is that it appears that it's a demolition and people that are saying that that's not accurate are claiming what I just theorized, which is isn't it just literally just the pressure? Yeah, it just collapses on itself, yeah All right, okay.

Sam: 13:05

So then the second point is that the Pentagon attacks weren't real. So skeptics question whether the American oh sorry, the accuracy of the hit, sorry the skeptics question whether American Airlines Flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon, starting the relatively small hole in the building and lack of large debris. Some theories propose a missile hit the Pentagon instead.

Tayla: 13:28

And who are they proposing? That missile was launched by? Oh, inside job, inside job, it's all inside job. They sent a missile to their own Pentagon.

Sam: 13:34

Yes, so like a false flag is basically saying hey, oh look, we were attacked by these countries or this person or this thing, so that means that we can go to war with them.

Tayla: 13:45

It creates justification for going to war. Okay, I was like what is the purpose behind the government attacking itself?

Sam: 13:50

So we can go to war with the Middle East and go get some oil.

Tayla: 13:54

Just for oil.

Sam: 13:55

Yeah, that's the whole thing. The military industrial complex. We need to use it to get enrich, all these powerful people.

Tayla: 14:03

Man, yeah, and if you believe that that's quite a world to live in, that your government would kill it's like so many of its own people in such a horrible way, just to go and get oil.

Sam: 14:12

Yeah.

Tayla: 14:13

I mean, is that possible? Are there people like that in power and in the world? Yes, but wow, what a world to live in. If you believe that really happened. Okay, so what are some other like so?

Sam: 14:23

evidences, the advanced knowledge. These series assert that US government officials had advanced knowledge of the attacks but did nothing to prevent them, often pointing to the perceived intelligence, intelligence failures as evidence. So the US. So there was a 9 11 report, right?

Tayla: 14:41

Right.

Sam: 14:42

The I think it was called the 9 11 commission reports and like that, and they did a whole investigation on this whole thing and they were able to show, like, where the failures of the United States governments and military.

Tayla: 14:52

Because there are failings for sure.

Sam: 14:54

Yeah, with a, had advanced knowledge of potential usage of commercial airplanes to do commit terrorist attacks. So, and by, you know, the, the, the Saudi terrorists, so, but they, I think the, the failures were because, like, it just had never been done, so it was just like, well, how credible is this sort of intelligence, you know?

Tayla: 15:22

okay. So people are thinking because they had this advanced notice and it wasn't prevented, they must have been in on it, rather than they had some sort of tip off and they were that incompetent that they didn't do something.

Sam: 15:36

So there's a. There's a few other things like smaller things, but those are the the main ones.

Tayla: 15:41

Was there, like a Trump thing to do with that, like during the race, or wasn't there something to do with that? So a, a resurgence.

Sam: 15:49

No, so, uh, I'll um, so I'm going to look this up so I can actually be accurate with it. But but from what I can remember, trump didn't have anything to do with 9 11 in terms of like part of the conspiracy theory, but he did, in Trump like fashion, say at one point that he had the tallest building in New York because of the loss of the twin tires.

Tayla: 16:13

Oh, so it's not to do with the conspiracy theory, it's just him being very tone deaf.

Sam: 16:19

Yeah, okay. So here it is Okay. On the day of the attacks, trump did a phone interview with a local news station, during which he discussed the strength of the world trade center buildings and mentioned that he had had a building in the financial district that would now be the tallest in the area off the collapse of the twin towers.

Tayla: 16:36

Oh my Hi, that is just so Trump.

Sam: 16:41

Yeah.

Tayla: 16:41

And I love that it's from way back then too, yeah.

Sam: 16:45

So, like I mean whether, whatever your politics are in terms of, like you know, conservative values versus liberal, like Trump has always been a piece of human garbage when it comes to.

Tayla: 16:54

I mean like, literally like thousands of Americans have just thought everyone else is unified.

Sam: 16:58

Remember, like, like, at this point, everyone that's Republican, democrats, whatever values will go. Hey, you know what we're Americans and if the world right now that somehow now it's about Trump. Trump somehow made a horrible, horrible world strategy about himself.

Tayla: 17:12

Man, we really have to stop filming ourselves recording this, because this whole time I've just been like pulling at my face.

Sam: 17:20

So okay, but so just so you know, these points have been thoroughly debunked many times over.

Tayla: 17:28

So our rating is debunked.

Sam: 17:30

That would be my rating yes, debunked.

Tayla: 17:33

And I haven't seen or like thoroughly looked at the evidence for the conspiracy theory but just listening to you, I thought like I really, truly was like. There seemed like there would be an explanation for that beyond this, so I would say it's debunked. I don't believe it.

Sam: 17:50

Yeah.

Tayla: 17:51

So, and there's a lot of actual evidence.

Sam: 17:53

Yeah, you also debunked. So definitely not demoed. It definitely was a plane that hit the Pentagon and there was definitely advanced. So here's the things that make it still like well, they had advanced knowledge. So I don't know if it's inside job, but definitely massive failure.

Tayla: 18:07

Yes.

Sam: 18:09

And that, to me, is what really is. That sums up what happened that day.

Tayla: 18:13

Okay, fascinating, all right, 9-11 conspiracy theory debunked, let's move on to another one. Let's talk about a newer one. Okay, the flat earth.

Sam: 18:26

New, old.

Tayla: 18:28

New, old, right, exactly so. It's been a recurring theme throughout pretty much humanity. But let me give some explanation and then you can maybe engage with other evidence and stuff you found.

Sam: 18:39

Sure.

Tayla: 18:40

But it's a big thing, especially right now. Flat earth theory posits that the earth is flat, as it is aptly named, rather than an oblate spheroid, as supported by scientific evidence. So proponents of the theory often claim that the idea of a round earth is a conspiracy perpetuated by governments and scientists and various organizations for alleged motives such as control or manipulation of the populace. So they the pieces of evidence they often point to to support their claims are the appearance of the horizon as flat, the behavior of the water, of water not curving, or misunderstandings about gravity and how it would function on a flat plane. Some also question the authenticity of space exploration and satellite images that show the earth as a sphere. So that's kind of like a basic explanation. Let's talk about it. What do you know about the theory?

Sam: 19:43

Okay, so all of the flat earth theory things. So my favorite part about this is this one had a resurgence because of trolls on the internet, kind of like. Most of these conspiracies is basically smart, horrible human beings that like to troll people, basically, you know just for fun, just mess with people.

Sam: 20:06

And so what? But what ends up happening is you get people that buy into the stuff, people that maybe aren't as intelligent on top of that. They get into these things, they really do it because you see some evidence that supports it right. And then you go, oh yeah, and you just go down a rabbit hole and keep focusing on the evidences. I'm doing air quotes here that support these theories, but my favorite thing is that there's a bunch of videos that show flat earthers debunking themselves doing these experiments.

Tayla: 20:36

Oh, okay, yes, I think I've seen one. Yeah, but why don't you tell us about one or two that you love?

Sam: 20:42

about it. So the easiest one to debunk or to show that debunks it is basically the curvature of the earth. So the you know in the flat earth theory is that basically you should be able to shine a light or laser or something straight, horizontally Right, and it will essentially not forever but for as long as you can show it will still be visible on that plane but because of the curvature of the earth, the it actually ends up. The light ends or laser will end up continuously going upwards is actually what it's happening, so during these experiments.

Sam: 21:16

it basically showcases that the earth is actually has a curve to it. So and then and inevitably yeah, and the video is like. You know, the person gets upset because like, oh, there must be like the lens of this thing, or like think of a million other reasons why it's not curved, still flats and everything else is wrong, you know, so that's the easiest thing.

Tayla: 21:39

Yeah. So for me, with this one, I my main thing, obviously, besides just the mountains of evidence of a curved earth, a sphere, is I just don't understand the motivation Like why would anyone just be like it's so important that people believe that this planet is round instead of flat, even though it's flat, Like what would be the motivation behind that? I don't know Right, it's something I mean I read something about population control but I don't understand how. I mean is the is the claim that it's flat, and it kind of goes on forever, Like I just don't get it. Okay, so it's flat.

Sam: 22:23

It's either circular in nature in terms of flat, think like a penny, right Like right, and it's surrounded by an ice wall. That's, that's their claim.

Tayla: 22:31

Oh, what? Yeah, Okay, okay, okay. And what's outside of the wall? Just space, space, yeah. So what is the explanation for all the other planets around us that you can see through a telescope being spherical or spheroid?

Sam: 22:52

I legitimately do not know there, but a lot of times they they will claim that other planets, like suns and moons and stars, are spherical, but we're flat earth.

Tayla: 23:05

Okay, this one. I mean any other evidence you wanna bring to the table before we make our.

Sam: 23:11

Yes, so the basically airplane flight paths.

Tayla: 23:18

So that's your piece of evidence, or flat?

Sam: 23:22

earth, no mine. So basically flight paths, like when you're flying. So if you look at the map right, or look at the globe, look at GPS data, look at satellite data, the shortest distance between two points on a sphere it's basically it is a circle is a great circle. So a great circle is, if you look at my fingers is an arc. That's like the shortest distance between two points. Is this Right? And so the only way that the map would work is if it were an actual round, because when you try to flatten out, it's a way.

Sam: 24:03

Yeah, the distances change.

Tayla: 24:04

Yeah, okay, so literally they would have to rig a whole bunch of calculations to convince people that it's a sphere when it's not. That's not really possible.

Sam: 24:16

There are multiple, so not just historical data but even live data. You can look at actual flight paths of flights and they're timed. You can see the speeds.

Tayla: 24:26

So it would I mean, it's a lot of data.

Sam: 24:28

Yeah, so basically their theory is that everyone is in on it. It's kind of a thing. So just the amounts of people and the amounts of work that it would take to Do this? Yeah, because all those tracking things have to be rigged to not show true data but to show inaccurate data, to prove a circle versus not a sphere.

Tayla: 24:54

Like every single one.

Sam: 24:55

Yeah, and it would also have to track private flights too, because those are tracked as well. So every plane that goes up there isn't just like, can't just go up there, like, without sending data up, right. So, like all those rich people, all the people that charter private planes, all of them, all that data is up there, so you can literally see.

Tayla: 25:21

Again, you'd have to go slow, Chilling into a point of data here. Yeah, you'd have to go so deep to believe this.

Sam: 25:27

Yes but honestly like there's so many other pieces of evidence so that we can. So I mean, that's the thing that just bothers me too is that you can. So we have satellite imagery of Earth, right, and you can see the curvature of the Earth from satellite imagery, live satellite imagery. We can see Even the dude that floated up in a balloon for the Red Bull balloon. You can see the curvature of the Earth when you fly up high enough.

Tayla: 25:51

Yeah.

Sam: 25:52

So like not just a little bit like this look, watch my hand again. Yeah, but like a lot.

Tayla: 25:58

Yeah, but also like the horizon appearing flat is actually an evidence for a spherical Earth. I feel like, unless they're saying, like the horizon, like looking at it, it should curve on like the left and the right, cause I'm thinking maybe they meant like it drops off.

Sam: 26:17

It's flat like a penny, like this, and then there's a giant, giant ice wall and then you just stopping out to see into the distance.

Tayla: 26:25

And again. So that's what I'm saying is like that. That piece of evidence is evidence for a spherical Earth.

Sam: 26:32

And then look at here's the thing. I mean you've lived by the ocean, yes, or been by the ocean, yes. What happens when a ship?

Tayla: 26:40

sails off, it just keeps, I mean it disappears it actually disappears.

Sam: 26:43

If you look long enough, it looks.

Tayla: 26:46

And it's not just because it goes too far that you can't see. It literally goes like it looks like it's sinking.

Sam: 26:52

Yep, there's, even if you there's some, there's parts of. So there's a giant wind farm out in the ocean as well Giant, tall windmills, and you can see them getting shorter and shorter into the distance.

Tayla: 27:05

Yeah.

Sam: 27:06

Because you know the curvature of the Earth.

Tayla: 27:08

Fascinating. I think we can call this one. Officially, we would consider it debunked. Very much so. Easy one, easy one, okay. So let's talk about what do we wanna go next. We have a couple. Let's do the moon landing.

Sam: 27:28

All right, I mean there's some reason for this to be real Like as in, like an actual like, okay.

Tayla: 27:37

I do not believe it's Go into it.

Sam: 27:38

Get into it so okay, so this is from memory, so let's see if I can remember. Basically, the moon landing is a hoax, as in we were in a space race with Russia at the time. And basically, the theory is oh yeah, true. The theory is that we faked it to basically punk out the Soviet Union, Just like a pissing contest.

Sam: 28:01

Yeah, well, what was interesting about it? So it wasn't just a space race, it was also an arms race at the same time, technology race and one of the things that we did by doing all this and this is part of the theory, but also this part is true we basically tried to financially harm the USSR by with doing this arms and Like drawing them in.

Tayla: 28:25

yeah.

Sam: 28:25

Yeah, we had a greater economy and so we could really pump the stuff out.

Tayla: 28:29

True.

Sam: 28:30

But some of the evidence, though. So evidence would be just like the fact that we have quality video up there, the fact that it was broadcast live.

Tayla: 28:40

What? Just that? It's too good of technology for the time, yeah that's what they're saying.

Sam: 28:44

And then the other one is there's the quality of the photos, like there's some weirdness with like lighting Like inconsistencies. Yeah, some lighting things that seemed a little strange. Also the movement of the astronauts on the moon.

Tayla: 29:00

Okay, so let's talk about the lighting. Go to the movement. I'll explain the lighting do the movement.

Tayla: 29:04

So one of the things that people are bothered by is that there are pictures of and I can't remember which astronaut it is, but underneath the spacecraft, in the shadow, very clearly in the shadow, is that astronaut in a white spacesuit. And the spacesuit is not shadowed, it looks bright, it looks like there's a reflection on it and so they're like well, this is staged or there's something behind it because he should be dark, he should be in shadow if he was really there. So I can kind of speak to the mythbusters busting of like, or at least like, alternative explanations. Besides that it was regged and then hoaxed is the reflection of the actual bright moon directly in the sun would reflect from the surface of the moon onto that white material that the astronaut was wearing, which is why he's lit up like that. I mean this is how they light up film Pretty often. You'll hold a reflector and so the person. Even if they're in shadow, they'll have better light, like right on their face.

Tayla: 30:10

So that's what mythbusters claims is the explanation for that?

Sam: 30:13

So it reflects off the moon, so there's weird move. One of the theories is that the evidence is was that there's weird movement from the astronauts. They're saying it looks like they're like on wires the way they're moving. And then mythbusters also attack this one too.

Tayla: 30:33

So they're saying that they're almost they're rather bouncing on a wire, rather than like lifting up without gravity.

Sam: 30:41

Well, they're being pulled by a wire. So, like in films, you know how you like they can be attached to wires and pulled up and jumped like this. Go, so they were saying they're on a movie set and they're just kind of pulled around like that. But basically, myth Butters does shows them, they try to recreate it and and and.

Tayla: 31:03

Sorry, you always you keep having a little with Myth Butters.

Sam: 31:08

Sorry, continue continue. No, that's totally fine, Anyway, so that one that was also shown too, Cause they.

Tayla: 31:16

Yeah, how did they handle that?

Sam: 31:18

Well, because they showed what it looks like on words, so they literally tried to recreate the movement on it.

Tayla: 31:22

With wires, like with a movie set, and it didn't look right yeah it looks.

Sam: 31:27

it looks different. Yeah, it's more like a little floaty bunny hop.

Tayla: 31:32

Okay, all right. Okay, so that there's an explanation for that. Again, this is less like evidence, like the other two theories we were just talking about, this this could be. These are, you know, people are claiming it could be this and people trying to debunk it. They say it could be this though. So that's the thing is, you have to kind of choose.

Sam: 31:52

But here's the biggest piece of evidence that it actually happened though.

Tayla: 31:55

Okay.

Sam: 31:58

So, basically, third party missions, missions such as those from the Soviet Union, tracked the Apollo missions and verified the authenticity.

Tayla: 32:10

Which they would have no motivation to do that. Yeah, so that's why they didn't, unless they were in on it, do yes, they wanted to lose publicly.

Sam: 32:19

Yeah, I guess. So yeah, so that's probably why the Soviet Union didn't try to make a big thing about it then, is that they were tracking it too.

Tayla: 32:25

Yeah, if it had been a hoax, if they had had any evidence of that, you would think they would bring it forward right away. And be like this is even if it wasn't, I mean, I could see them maybe using that. If someone had even thought this could be, this could look fake. They might even push that story at the time. Yeah, I know, the other one is just that the flag looks like it's flapping in the wind.

Sam: 32:47

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tayla: 32:48

But obviously there's. You know it's on a horizontal pole to hold it up and also in a vacuum seal. It will crinkle Like it'll not be perfectly flat.

Sam: 32:58

Yeah.

Tayla: 32:58

And then what was the other one? The footprints. Like how could you leave a footprint on a vacuum sealed surface? But Mythbusters also tests. A bunch of people have tested that Like you can have vacuum sealed containers with a moon dust like particles and you can leave an imprint, even if it's a vacuum sealed, Because vacuum sealed doesn't mean things are static. That's not the same thing, but yeah, those are two other like oh, you know, they shouldn't be able to like kick up dust or stuff like that.

Sam: 33:31

Yeah, debunked.

Tayla: 33:33

Debunked.

Sam: 33:34

Yeah.

Tayla: 33:34

Okay, cause I was going to say this one maybe is a little more debatable. I feel like it's possible that it's For me it's the Soviet Union.

Sam: 33:44

The fact that the Soviet Union basically confirmed no, I don't believe it was a hoax.

Tayla: 33:49

I don't. I very much believe it's debunked, but I can see how someone could feel like that's not like evidence enough to actually debunk it. Like it's possible that it was a hoax, so I could respect someone for feeling like maybe you know, for not being fully convinced, but I think it happened for sure. All right, let's talk about one that is of interest to me personally and that is Princess Diana's death. Do you know anything about it?

Sam: 34:24

Yes, so what I remember, cause I was little, I think it was like eight, nine or 10, something like that. Do you remember what it was? I was, yeah, eight, nine or I was young.

Tayla: 34:35

Yeah, it was 1997, august 31st, so I was three.

Sam: 34:39

I was. Oh, no, I was 13. I was 13.

Tayla: 34:41

So you were 13. I was 13, geez Ooh Anyways.

Sam: 34:44

So what I remember was basically she had, she was pretty much in conflict with the royal family. She was. Yeah, she had gone through a divorce from Prince Charles and basically she was like a people's champion. Everyone loved Princess Diana, everyone. The people loved Princess Diana and were just like the royal family. Princess.

Tayla: 35:10

Diana's the best. Yeah, how could they treat her? You know?

Sam: 35:12

Anyways, so she was becoming, she was pretty much celebrity status on top of royal status, and she died in a car accident and it was in kind of suspicious circumstances, because they were being chased by or followed by, basically the paparazzi in yeah, yeah.

Tayla: 35:31

So I can give like the.

Sam: 35:32

Sure.

Tayla: 35:33

So they were in a Mercedes with a driver, 31st of August 1997. And they were being chased, as you said, by the paparazzi and they were being driven by a man who had, apparently he was over the drink driving limit.

Tayla: 35:48

Is that a way to put that they. The car lost control while speeding away and crashed in a tunnel in Paris, and so in that car was 36 year old. Wow, she was young. I mean, obviously that seems a little older when you're young. But Diana, and then her boyfriend, she had been dating of a few months.

Tayla: 36:08

His name was Dodi El-fayed. He was the son of a billionaire, I'm pretty sure, Muhamad El-fayed, who owned Harrods at the time, and they're from Egypt, and his bodyguard. So the bodyguard was the only one to survive, which was a little bit odd that he would survive and the two wouldn't. But everyone was obviously devastated. Two and a half billion people watched her, with a broadcast of her funeral a week later, and so a lot of people just accepted the official thing of just horrible tragedy, random thing. But Dodi's father, specifically Muhammad, really believed the more sinister forces were at play. So he claimed that it was MI6 in collusion with the royal family. They were to blame, and then people just kind of went crazy with it because they're like oh yeah, I mean, that makes sense. So there are a few main theories and you tell me what you think and I can give you kind of evidence to one or the other.

Tayla: 37:10

So the first theory is that they were killed because Diana was pregnant and Dodie was about to propose. So that is what Muhammad claims is that they were apparently about to announce their engagement, and that quote the royal family could not accept that an Egyptian Muslim could eventually be the stepfather of the future king of England, close quote. And so apparently, allegedly, mi6 in the establishment put a special up in place to have Dodie and Diana killed. So thoughts on it.

Sam: 37:47

Thoughts on it is this for me, is this could be. There's some haziness here. That's where I'm sitting on it, because I do know that there was like a whole investigation into it and basically they concluded that it was the paparazzi's fault and the driver's fault and that there was not additional like they couldn't find additional motives or evidence to suggest otherwise. However, I mean considering how you know secretive MI6 can be and the intelligence community in the British community was pretty effective during World War II. I haven't really heard much difference since then because that's we only have that historical information for World War II.

Sam: 38:32

But it wouldn't surprise me if it was orchestrated, you know, like, if maybe you know the driver was basically like.

Tayla: 38:43

Could have been by anyone right, so many people would have had motivation for it. The royal family, certain government, politics, international, racist.

Sam: 38:55

Someone would have have to have gotten to the driver.

Tayla: 38:58

And or the bodyguard.

Sam: 38:59

Yeah.

Tayla: 39:01

So this conspiracy, like these allegations, were they got so noisy in like 2004. So not even it was quite a while after that the Met Police had to launch an inquiry into the death and so, at the cost of 12 and a half million pounds, they had an operation pageant which was to launch that inquiry and they concluded with an official verdict. However, again, if you want to believe that it went so deep that they would go ahead and kill someone, like what is to say that, like they couldn't affect the people investigating this and what they find and hide and stuff, so the official, so post-mortem examinations, they didn't find any signs of pregnancy and I do find that like I don't think she was pregnant. Her friends say she was on her normal cycle blah, blah, blah. As for the proposal, I think it's likely that he would have proposed, or been wanting to propose, he had purchased a ring. Could have been just a nice ring, I mean they're millionaires, but I mean it stands to reason that they were serious enough that maybe you know.

Sam: 40:13

Yeah.

Tayla: 40:13

A lot of people said, like Diana, I was not interested at all in marriage. But sometimes, like when you feel like you found your person, you change.

Sam: 40:20

I don't know there's a lot of reasons for and motives to have killed Diana besides just her, you know, getting married, being with it yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Tayla: 40:29

I mean people were so pissed off at Charles rightly so, rightly so she did on her Before they were even married. He never ended his relationship with another woman and never decided to let her know what she was getting into. And then the treatment of her and the. It's horrible Again. She's not perfect. Actually, you can go in and look at she's a very flawed person herself dealing with a lot of mental health issues. But yeah, they were pretty. You know the fact that people loved her so much and were so angry at the royal family. I mean, again, it could have all been optics. She could have been a very smart person and have been playing the whole thing the whole time Probably a mix of both. By the way. Yeah, I mean huge motivation to be like she's just causing more problems. She knows too much, you know.

Sam: 41:22

Verdict Charles Dunnett.

Tayla: 41:24

You think, you think.

Sam: 41:27

Or the queen.

Tayla: 41:29

Yeah, you know, I just so. The other, like the other conspiracies, was again, as you said, the driver was part of the conspiracy. Obviously we caught no.

Sam: 41:37

Well, he could just, he could literally just be like the last little dot in a chain of complexity where he's just, basically, they've got something on him. Maybe they'd say we'll take care of your family if you do this. Blah, blah, blah and he goes. I'll do this for my prosperity, posterity.

Tayla: 41:54

Posterity. Prosperity, yeah, I mean absolutely. The other, like methodologies behind this, is, they say. Some people will say that the Mercedes was tampered with, which is possible. Operation pageant said it wasn't, but I think it's possible. And some other people say that, like the medics were in on it and that she didn't die on impact but then they didn't treat her correctly. So I don't know about that. I just think the initial, like you're going to be in an accident and you'll probably die, you know, be badly, I think it's. Oh, I wouldn't put it past this one is like could be true, I'm all about that Could be true, sadly, very sadly, apparently so.

Tayla: 42:39

Prince Harry, second son of Diana, wrote a book called spare, and I haven't read it yet, but I wonder if he talks at all about that. I bet he does. I should read it. No, not an ad. Okay, let's go ahead and do our last one, which is the most new one, which is the QAn on conspiracy theory. Go ahead and take it away, sam. Let us know what this QAnon stuff is all about.

Sam: 43:08

Okay, QAnon so QAno n. It's kind of like the flat earth thing. It's started by, or made popular by, internet trolls, basically. So there's a forum Don't ever go onto it called 4chan. It used to be back in the day for just teenage boys, young, young adults, to just say the worst things because it's funny. That's pretty much it. So it's just like one of the things I just think about how terrible and like sure yeah exactly.

Sam: 43:47

So that's where it started and so I was on on those forms of 4chan QAnon and QAno n kind of gets formed from that, because one of the posters called Q starts coming up with these theories and it's also supposed to be like Hillary. So like right before Donald Trump. So during the campaigns for Donald Trump, there was a lot of memes about Donald Trump on 4chan, on reddits or on the internet, just thinking he's a troll. Right, they identify with Donald Trump because he's just a troll, like Donald Trump says and does crazy things.

Tayla: 44:22

So there must be. The only reason could be because he's just he's trolling, he's trolling, yeah, okay.

Sam: 44:27

Kind of like Elon Musk. Elon Musk is a troll, so Elon Musk says and does crazy things on the internet that just just troll people off, and you know, poke and whatever.

Sam: 44:36

So that's what this kind of comes from, anyway. So back to that campaign. There's a lot of memes from about Donald Trump. Like you know, you're gonna take back, you know anyway. So this same group, though, starts making more and more Donald Trump kind of posts on 4chan, and eventually it's this Q guy that comes with these crazy conspiracy theories coming out of the White House, and then some of them are real and then some of them not. So let me just, I'll just read this.

Tayla: 45:05

Yes, tell me, because I just have heard QAnon and I've been like Nope, so I haven't looked into this, okay.

Sam: 45:12

So QAnon conspiracy theory emerged on internet forums in late 2017, alleging that a secret cabal of satanic pedophiles and cannibals controls the world and is being fought against by former president, former US president, donald Trump. According to the theory, an anonymous figure known as Q posts cryptic messages online that followers interpret as clues revealing the supposed hidden battle against evil. The theory encompasses a wide range of claims, some of which involve global elite, politicians, celebrities involved in child trafficking and other illegal activities. It also claims that a day of reckoning, often referred to as the storm, is coming, during which members of the cabal will be arrested and justice will be served. Qanon has been widely discredited. The FBI has identified it as domestic terrorism.

Tayla: 46:04

Wow.

Sam: 46:04

Yeah so.

Tayla: 46:06

Okay, so what is the evidence for the? He just posts stuff and people just for some reason believe him. Like where is the evidence for what he's saying?

Sam: 46:17

So I mean, there isn't really rights so.

Tayla: 46:22

So people are just that gullible.

Sam: 46:23

Well, yes, so, for example, one of them was, like John F Kennedy is not really dead, and so you know, john F Kennedy is the son. Was it the son or nephew? Which one was John F? Anyways, he's related to President Kennedy.

Tayla: 46:42

Okay. So oh, yeah, yeah, this I think it's his. I think I'm pretty sure it's his son, yeah.

Sam: 46:47

I'm pretty sure it's son. He died on a plane crash. Okay, yeah. So they're saying that John F Kennedy what does? John okay, I keep saying like it's that guy by my side, I'm probably misremembering. Anyway, so he's actually been alive and hiding, faked his death and he's going to like he was and this has happened multiple times on a certain date he's going to announce that he was actually alive and faked his death.

Tayla: 47:12

And he's going to save people.

Sam: 47:14

Yeah, and he's going to become. He's going to run with Donald Trump to be, you know to to win the president, see, or take back the presidency, like in a legal way, not through an election and they're going to expose all these elites and this is part of the storm thing and there's going to be a day of reckoning for all these like bad people. And Donald Trump and John F Kennedy are going to save the world.

Tayla: 47:43

Save America come from, like why that is so random and out there.

Sam: 47:49

Yes, he just came.

Tayla: 47:50

He just okay. But maybe I don't know enough about John Kennedy's son, but he was a Democrat.

Sam: 48:00

Yeah, there are Democrats.

Tayla: 48:03

That I mean Democrats are the root of all evil, according to Trump and Trump followers. So that doesn't make sense Like why? Why would they support a Democrat?

Sam: 48:17

Yeah, so. So Q's also like for the COVID-19 hoax pushes, pushes, the vote of fraud hoax. The Adrienacrome harvesting, that's the.

Tayla: 48:30

Did they like? Oh, they're inserting micro trips through the vaccine, Did that? Come from Q, or is that just another thing?

Sam: 48:37

Yes, and Pizza Gate too. So Pizza Gate was, there was like a pizza restaurant in Washington DC that was supposed to be a hub for sex trafficking. All debunked, right.

Tayla: 48:49

So yeah, I mean, who has gone and debunked them?

Sam: 48:52

I mean, obviously you can use your common sense, I feel like, but has someone gone through and yes, but people like would go to, would like sit outside this pizza place or go inside the pizza place and they would record it's trying to catch people and nothing ever came of it.

Tayla: 49:12

Man Okay, okay.

Sam: 49:15

So it's pretty bizarre.

Tayla: 49:16

So like they've become like there's like so much I don't even know how to respond.

Sam: 49:19

Yeah, it's pretty weird because a few other Republican politicians have jumped on QAnon the Q n train. Yes, isn't. Mgt and I think Bobert to M.

Tayla: 49:32

T J M T G.

Sam: 49:34

There you go, marjorie.

Tayla: 49:35

Taylor green. I like what is the acronym.

Sam: 49:37

Marjorie Green, taylor. But yeah, yeah, so it really is just a bunch of trolls having fun with people.

Tayla: 49:47

Except for Q now has power and I bet it's just.

Sam: 49:50

Oh yeah, loving it, I'm sure loving it, yeah, yeah.

Tayla: 49:55

Does Trump say anything officially about this, because it centers on him a lot.

Sam: 50:02

Has he said anything about it? I do know that he is he. No, he says cryptic things to just his followers in general, and I think they would QAnon include QAnon n.

Tayla: 50:14

Yeah, he'll be like. He'll like use a hashtag, that reference like they would know references.

Sam: 50:20

Yeah, so I think the storm front, the that group, the old rats, like violent group or whatever I think it's called storm front. They went to the capital.

Tayla: 50:31

There, didn't know they were called that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're called storm.

Sam: 50:34

That makes sense, so it's storm front. Yeah, I'll go back up real quick. Storm front. Look it up, jamie, that's a Joe Rogan reference.

Tayla: 50:46

Okay, listen to his podcast.

Sam: 50:47

Alright, storm front is a white supremacist, white nationalist. Yeah, so that that's pretty much it. And you're saying he references yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yes.

Tayla: 50:59

Okay, these the people that he was like we love you. Yeah, so he, whether he believes that, I mean he obviously knows that what they're claiming about John F Kennedy and him knowing about all these people is false.

Sam: 51:12

Yeah, but I mean Trump just likes to use an audience, so whatever he's got he'll use.

Tayla: 51:17

Yeah, he'll exactly. He just is like whatever they give me and apparently give people give him a lot. Okay, so we're considering this debunked yeah so it's thoroughly debunked.

Sam: 51:29

The QAn on stuff is thoroughly debunked, however. However, so what makes these conspiracy theories very believable is that the things that we do know that people in political power are doing uncool and like have hidden agendas. I mean, just think about Nancy Pelosi and other government officials that get to basically do insider training, trading in the stock market?

Tayla: 51:54

No, that's absolutely.

Sam: 51:55

They know these laws are going to happen, so they do through like a couple steps away from them. You know, do investments to take advantage of that? I mean that's, you know, that lends credibility to a lot of these theories, because you're like, yeah, these are terrible people. Like just, you know, taking advantage of everything. There are like very liberal elites in like the tech world that do really weird things. Like you know, put young people blood into their bodies. That's an actual thing. That an actual, you know, liberal, successful millionaire does, like that's an actual thing. So, or using, what's the problem? Abortion you get like stem cells stem cells from people.

Sam: 52:43

Use this.

Tayla: 52:43

Aborted fetuses.

Sam: 52:44

Yeah, aborted fetuses, stem cells. They use them in different like experimental medical treatments.

Tayla: 52:50

These are for testing, yeah.

Sam: 52:51

Yeah, exactly. So all that kind of kind of stuff happens. So when you like push it all into one story, a lot of these things, can you know? Take a laugh of the on.

Tayla: 53:01

Fascinating.

Sam: 53:02

All right.

Tayla: 53:03

So that one is debunked. But I did also look up a couple of conspiracy theories. That ended up being true.

Sam: 53:09

I'm all ears, you ready, yes.

Tayla: 53:11

Okay. So this one this first one is from the wake of, like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombings. Okay, so the conspiracy was that the government, the US government, was stealing dead bodies to do radioactive testing. And it actually turned out to be true. The government was stealing parts of dead bodies because they needed young tissue. They, they like recruited a worldwide network of agents to find recently deceased babies and children and take samples and limbs and they collected those without permission or notification of the grieving family. So more than 1500 families. So it's called Project Sunshine. Very interesting.

Tayla: 53:57

Another one is that there was a conspiracy that during prohibition, which is when drinking alcohol was illegal in the United States, the government poisoned alcohol to keep people from drinking. It kind of ended up being true. So the truth actually was just that the industrial, industrial alcohol manufacturers had been mixing their product with dangerous chemicals for years, just anyway. So the alcohol in general was just dangerous. That continued. But the government did push manufacturers to use stronger poisons to discourage bootlegers from turning alcohol into moonshine. Can you believe that they're like put more poison in? Oh man.

Sam: 54:41

Yeah, go ahead, I've got one for you. So there were. There have been instances in history where governments have engaged in forced sterilizations. One of the most well known examples is the eugenics movements in the United States during the early to mid 20th century. The aim was to improve the genetic quality of the population by sterilizing individuals considered unfit to reproduce, often without their consent or knowledge.

Tayla: 55:07

Yes, yes, horrific and true.

Sam: 55:12

This targeted various groups, including people with mental disabilities, certain racial and ethnic minorities and the poor. Another example is a sterilization of indigenous women in Canada, some businesses of which occurred as recently as the 1970s. Oh my God. So all these like crazy acts by government and people in power again lends like credibility to all the theories. Is it that far fetched to think that this, so that, would happen Exactly?

Tayla: 55:40

Well, a couple other ones, last ones, that I find interesting. There was a conspiracy that the CIA was testing LSD on Americans in a top secret experiment to modify behavior, essentially mind control by the government, and the program was known as MKUltra, and it was real.

Sam: 56:02

There's a movie about this.

Tayla: 56:03

I didn't know that, so they obviously started out by using volunteers, but they eventually began dosing people without their knowledge and a lot of the victims ended up permanently disabled, mentally disabled, geez, anyway.

Sam: 56:20

So have you seen that movie? It says kind of on the lines of this it's called the men who stare at goats. It's with George Clooney. No, yeah, it's kind of like a modern adaption of that. It's pretty, it's pretty funny.

Tayla: 56:32

No, yeah, no, okay, check it out. I think I'll do just two more. Sure, okay, oh, do I just want to do two more? Yes, let's just do two more. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So the one is that big tobacco knew that smoking causes cancer and is deadly. And that is true, that is true, and that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true. And that was, in the beginning of the 1950s, indisputable link between smoking and lung cancer. And only in the 1990s did they even admit that that was true.

Tayla: 57:17

So they knew it and they just whoa Same with sugar, true, oh gosh, we got to go down a whole rabbit hole, which apparently that's our catchphrase. Let me say that a lot. Okay, what is the last one I want to do? The last one is that the Dalai Lama is a CIA agent. Have you heard this one?

Sam: 57:35

No.

Tayla: 57:36

Okay. So, um, he's smiling really big in a lot of pictures. Anyway, a lot of people think that he's a CIA agent because he has a six figure salary that he pulled down from the U? S government in the 1960s. So there was some declassified documents that say that he earned $180,000 in connection with CIA's funding of the Tibetan resistance, which ended up being at 1.7, 1.7 million per year. So it was to disrupt China's infrastructure. But he yeah, he did end up getting actual money, like he wasn't a CIA agent but he was a essentially an employee of the CIA, like he got money from the CIA.

Sam: 58:21

I think you call that a CIA asset. An asset, there we go.

Tayla: 58:26

So really interesting stuff. I mean there's a ton more, a whole rabbit hole, but um, I'm putting you on the spot to finish up. I wanted to know do you have any like conspiracy theories that are not maybe like a conspiracy theory, Like people believe this conspiracy theory, but you think it?

Sam: 58:45

conspiracy theories that I think could be real. Okay, so it's. I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory, that this is just real. I think there are massive competing interests for world control, you know. So you've got fact, that's a fact and I feel like that, with at least within our lifetimes, those competing interests will never align.

Sam: 59:14

So that's why I'm always like I go yeah, I feel like there could be a one world order, you know there could be this global elite and co-operate, but the problem is is that there's competition and so they're, they're always going to be competing for, for this power and for this control, and I feel like it's actually a check and a balance, you know, that ends up having. And so that's my theory is that, yes, there are these competing interests. Yes, we don't know who they are. Yes, we know who some of them are, but it's very rich, very powerful people that are behind the scenes, that are we don't see and don't know how they control things. But there are definitely they have other competing people that are trying to do the exact same thing. Anyways, that's my theory.

Tayla: 59:59

Okay, that's a good one. How about you? What is the guy with the pedophile that died in jail? Oh, what's his name?

Sam: 1:00:09

What's his name? Didn't kill himself. What's his name? I know who you're talking about.

Tayla: 1:00:13

I mean he's garbage, so it's probably good I don't waste my brain space. Jeffrey Epstein.

Sam: 1:00:18

Yeah.

Tayla: 1:00:18

Didn't kill himself. I know that there's recent documents not supporting that, that they support that he did kill himself and wasn't killed. Hmm, still questioning.

Sam: 1:00:30

I question it too, because he definitely had dirt on every single, every single A bunch of those you know On any side of anything.

Tayla: 1:00:38

They were all like there's people involved. So I don't think he just killed himself. I mean, what timing too. So the other little one is I do think there are extraterrestrial beings somewhere in the universe. Essentially I believe in aliens. I don't know that we've had contact with them. I don't know if I believe that, but they exist. I believe that.

Sam: 1:01:00

Okay, so are you saying that any other evidence right now is real, or are you just saying the stuff that we've seen is all like garbage and hoax, but I haven't seen much actual evidence.

Tayla: 1:01:08

There's like little pieces of things that like could be, but they're not like really evidence to me.

Sam: 1:01:14

Yeah, there's a bunch of weird looking fake things from Mexico that just came out recently. I just saw that. That's why it's on my mind that guy.

Tayla: 1:01:21

Yeah, so there's like mummified remains that look extraterrestrial. There's obviously. There was the testimony in Congress recently where that guy from the triangle Bermuda Triangle or whatever said that they do have quote extraterrestrial biological matter, whatever the hell that means. So I'm sure they exist. I don't know that we've like interacted or that they're close enough. I don't think they're like sneaking around like anamorphs or the book If you haven't read it anyway, but yeah, I think they are out there. What do you think?

Sam: 1:01:58

Um life. Look, I think I'm coming. I come from, like, the school of like everything is possible and nothing is possible. So we could. It could be true that we are literally the only living thing in the entire universe. We also could be the very lost of all things that have existed before us. We could also be the start of everything that's going to exist after us. We also could be in the middle of it all One of millions of species, infinite, infinite other species that's are, could either be in the stone age or so far ahead of us if they're like zipping in and out of our like existence and we have zero awareness of them.

Tayla: 1:02:44

Fascinating.

Sam: 1:02:45

It all could be true.

Tayla: 1:02:46

Fascinating. Well with that, judge for yourselves, guys. Let us know in social media If you. I'll have polls out in the next couple of days. Let us know if you feel like there are conspiracy theories that we went over our debunked possibly true or true.

Sam: 1:03:03

Here's the scary thing Look if something happens to one of us after this is you know one? No, we don't, because it could be any one of the things that we've spoken about.

Tayla: 1:03:14

You're right, but I'm. What I meant is. It's because of this episode, so we would know why you guys need to be asking a lot of questions if something happens to either one of us.

Sam: 1:03:23

Dig into it If we die.

Tayla: 1:03:28

And with that, have a great rest of your day. Thanks for listening to the babe. What do you know about podcast?

Sam: 1:03:42

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