Donald Trump

In this episode, Sam and Tayla talk about Donald Trump after his recent announcement of another presidential run in 2024. They discuss their opinions about his polarizing politics and personal life, and the potential ramifications of reinstating him as a figure in American politics. 

Transcript

Tayla (00:00:10):

Welcome to the Babe, What do you know about podcast?

Sam (00:00:13):

Where your hosts, husband and duo, Sam

Tayla (00:00:16):

And Tayla

Sam (00:00:17):

Air their grievances publicly for your entertainment.

Tayla (00:00:22):

So you just pause me if you need a cough cuz we've just had one hell of a week

Sam (00:00:31):

<laugh>.

Tayla (00:00:32):

Two or two

Sam (00:00:34):

Weeks for me. Yeah,

Tayla (00:00:37):

Yeah. Sorry guys that we missed a week of episodes. It was just, it's been, man, I'm just gonna list off. So you got sick and the sickest you've been in a long time. Our children, the baby and the toddler both got sick, <affirmative> as well. And then as you remain sick, the toddler ended up giving herself pink eye <affirmative> by wiping her snot into her eyes and then giving that pink eye to the baby and then getting an ear infection and then throwing up every night because of the antibiotics that she had to take. All the while the baby's tooth came, teeth came in, I broke my pinky toe, <laugh> <affirmative>. And you've remained sick till kind of Today's the first day.

Sam (00:01:27):

I feel so good right now compared to how I felt a week ago. My voice is so tired right now, but I was bad. It felt like I was breathing through a wash cloth, <laugh> not being able to sleep and near my lymph nodes went bonkers. So yeah, I got pretty sick.

Tayla (00:01:51):

Surprisingly, I was the only one who didn't get sick. Must the universe must have just known that one of us had to be functional on the last couple weeks, but I didn't have to take off a bunch of work, a bunch work on my brand new job that I got. So just is what it is. I feel like it's just going around right now. But beyond that, some other big news. And that's the topic of conversation today. So I'm just gonna do the intro and then get to the news that prompted Oh,

Sam (00:02:24):

Right before you do the intro though. Yeah. Yeah. What's so funny that we got into the situation, we literally planned for something like this to happen and because we recorded three, four episodes ahead and then for some reason as we got closer and closer to this episode, we just hadn't recorded. It's just stuff came up and then all of a sudden with the sickness it was like, wait, we have nothing to put out.

Tayla (00:02:47):

And every evening leading up to Tuesday last week, we were like, we have to do it tonight. And you're like, I'm just gonna cough the whole time. And no one wants to hear that. Well I'm sure there's a very demographic people who might be into it, but

Sam (00:03:00):

It might be your thing

Tayla (00:03:01):

<laugh>. But yeah, so we'll hopefully be able to catch up again and kind of get ahead again.

Sam (00:03:09):

Yeah, I've got an orange juice next to me just in case I needed cough and I'll just drink that the

Tayla (00:03:15):

Whole time. Yeah, we'll see if it helps. Yeah. Okay, so <laugh>, let me just get to it. Donald Trump in Phil, Donald John Trump, or Donald J. Trump, for whatever reason people call him, was born June 14th, 1946 in New York and was the 45th president of the United States. He was a real estate, a businessman he owned, managed and licensed his name to several hotels, casinos, golf courses, resorts, residential properties in New York and around the world. And since the 1980s, he's also lent his name to other retail ventures like clothing, cologne, food, furniture, and Trump University. In the 21st century, his private conglomerate, the Trump organization comprised some 500 companies involved in a wide range of businesses. Trump was the third president in US history after Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998 to be impeached by the US House of Representatives and the only president to be impeached twice, once in 2019 for the abuse of power and obstruction of Congress

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In connection with the Ukraine scandal. And once in 2021 for incitement of insurrection in connection with the storming of the United States capital by a violent mob of Trump supporters. As Congress met in joint session to ceremony, count electoral college votes from the 2020 election, both of Trump's impeachments ended with his acquittal by the Senate and he lost the 2020 election to former vice President Joe Biden by 306 electoral votes to 232. He lost the popular vote by more than 7 million votes last week. And this is the news he announced his candidacy for US president, in which he suggested, among other things, this is so him to do, I feel like, to enforce the death penalty on drug dealers. So babe, what do you know about Donald Trump?

Sam (00:05:27):

I know a bit, little

Tayla (00:05:29):

Bit. We know a lot about him. I mean, who doesn't? Yeah.

Sam (00:05:33):

So yeah, Donald Trump. What a character. I think you left out one of his biggest accomplishments. He had a very popular reality TV show called The Apprentice. You're Fired. That was his catch phrase

Tayla (00:05:47):

It must be old cuz I never watched

Sam (00:05:50):

It. That was one of the bigger things that as she elevated his fame and a status,

Tayla (00:05:58):

I did know that. I just didn't care cuz I'd never watched an episode

Sam (00:06:01):

<laugh>. Ah me though. Yeah.

Tayla (00:06:03):

But yes, that it's kind of like a shark tank kind of thing, but for I know business people instead of, I

Sam (00:06:11):

Guess. Sure. Yeah. And I also think he had Trump steaks. I think he had a steak delivery.

Tayla (00:06:18):

Oh yeah, he's at that and

Sam (00:06:20):

I think so, yeah.

Tayla (00:06:21):

Wine or something as well.

Sam (00:06:22):

Yeah, I don't know.

Tayla (00:06:23):

He's said everything.

Sam (00:06:24):

He's got a of his real estate stuff, he does have a few golf courses and

Tayla (00:06:31):

Of course doesn't matter. You're gonna slide

Sam (00:06:33):

<laugh> matter how you feel about the man. I kind of want to play on a couple of the golf courses just to see, apparently he's pretty decent at golf

Tayla (00:06:42):

For a geriatric man. Yeah, yeah, that's good for him

Sam (00:06:46):

Yeah.

Tayla (00:06:47):

So

Sam (00:06:49):

Actually, have you seen when he put on official presidential let ahead the time he got a hole in one a couple years ago, he wrote a whole narrative and a story about him doing this. In fact, I might pull it up while we're doing this cause it

Tayla (00:07:04):

Please do. It's

Sam (00:07:05):

So Hilarious, it's so quintessential. It really summarizes, captures the man

Tayla (00:07:10):

Him. Yeah, it really is. No, I didn't feel like maybe I kind of remember that. But of course,

Sam (00:07:16):

And what makes it even greater is I believe Ernie Els was there golfing with him, which is a famous South African golfer.

Tayla (00:07:25):

He can corroborate the,

Sam (00:07:27):

Okay, I'm gonna look it up. Okay. You get onto the first topic about Mr. Trump.

Tayla (00:07:34):

Okay, so I, I'll just have full disclosure here for anyone listening is that I am not a fan whatsoever in any way of him as a person. Now we'll get into the political side and that's probably what I wanna speak to a little bit more. But him as a person, <affirmative>, I just cannot support in any way. And I do understand why other people do. But as he's announced yet another election, I guess, and this is why ironically we're doing an episode about it, cuz this is someone that I tried to not talk about in general, but it is, I think a really important critical time because when Trump joined the election cycle in 2016, it forever, it feels like changed the shape of how American politics would go, what people would prioritize, and how people act with each other politically. And I would say it's for the negative and it's not him alone, it was the whole election cycle. But as we anticipate yet another cycle with him coming up, I think it is important to look back on the track record. And I don't know what your agenda would be, but our full disclosure have full disclosure that my agenda on this episode is a little different to usual. But it would be to try and speak to people with conservative values or conservative leanings and urge them to maybe go another direction with someone who actually represents conservative values. So that's kind of where it's coming from.

Sam (00:09:24):

So I think you were kind of talking about this, there's different layers to this. Sorry about voices so bad. There's different layers to this. And the first one that I would just touch on, and we can move our pause really quickly, is why people support Donald Trump <affirmative>. And I shared that Dave Chappelle clip with you recently. Yes. He was just on SNL recently had a monologue. He was talking about a number of things that Donald Trump came up for a brief moment and it, it basically, in summary, one of the things Donald Trump did was he brought the elite political establishment, the people <affirmative>, have political careers down with him into the mud essentially. Basically saying the system is rigged. I know cuz I'm using the rig system and the thing that everyone else here, what the people need to know is that you also are just as rigged as me. So whether that's true or not, that was

Tayla (00:10:37):

What

Sam (00:10:38):

He stood, that was his narrative and that's what he stood for in a lot of ways, was able to showcase that. And maybe people were not as in the mud as he is, or maybe they are, but certainly a lot of people believe that a lot of politicians are corrupt. I mean mm-hmm. <affirmative>, just look at what happened to Bernie Sanders. He had the primary stolen from him from the d c. So there's just a lot of distrust for the alternative. So that means that everyone was like, well Don, let's go Donald Trump. Which was weird. So he also, heres where if we were going back in Tom, I remember that happening. And I remember if you spoke to most people on the streets, or I guess in your casual conversations, your friends, they all thought Donald, Donald Trump was a joke at before he won the primary,

Tayla (00:11:34):

That huge amount of people in the primaries. It was just like they had to have two debates because there was so many,

Sam (00:11:41):

And I remember, I don't know if you remember this, but I remember telling you, it's like watch what happens to the entire narrative. If Donald Trump becomes the nominee, the nominee, you're gonna see everyone suddenly flipped their opinions and all of a sudden praise Donald Trump. Say they always supported Donald Trump and he's great, and they'll just forget all the horrible things that they were saying about him. And they thought about him and they were gonna think that he is just great. And it happens every single election cycle, <affirmative>. And I guess that's one of the benefits of being old now, is that I've seen it happen a bunch of times. And so you knew it was gonna happen. And so for me, it's just such a weird phenomenon on human

Tayla (00:12:23):

Group think

Sam (00:12:23):

Yeah, group think. It's just so weird to me that you can just suddenly forget those things. So anyways, but why people then subordinate him once he became the army was they just felt he was an alternative to what we knew was gonna happen with Hillary Clinton. They're like, we know what's gonna happen with Hillary Clinton and you go for the alternative. So even I felt, I was like, well Donald Trump's a wild card. I have no idea what kind of president he's gonna be. I have no clue. I know that as a person he's horrible, but as a president, do you think he's gonna live up to the station or live up to the position? And that's what you always think you'll take on the mantle. The President rises to the occasion. And some of the things I think is, well, I think we'll probably have a boost to the economy. I thought that we'd become trading stronger trading partners with Russia. I thought that I, there was gonna be the Americanization of Russia, but what turned out, obviously history is very, very different. I don't know if it's opposite, but definitely.

Tayla (00:13:24):

No, I'm just saying that tongue, tongue in cheek,

Sam (00:13:27):

Definitely Russia has shown us that there were still bad actors and they had no intentions of being close trading partners with us. Or maybe they weren't. Putin just had a change of hearts. I don't know. But anyways, I'm just trying to circling back around. But basically the first point is that I think they were good enough points for people to say, well let's give Donald Trump a try, even though he is absolutely out of left field. Just like, wow, this is such a crazy

Tayla (00:13:59):

Out of right field field

Sam (00:14:01):

<laugh>. And I don't fault anyone for supporting him or voting for him

Tayla (00:14:10):

Ever or back then. Back

Sam (00:14:11):

Then. Yeah.

Tayla (00:14:12):

Well, and that's a really good point is I do think that what Trump was doing, I don't agree with the way he was doing it with it or I don't agree with the way he was doing it <affirmative>, but I do think that some of the narrative that he was bringing about was warranted was that there does need to be a disruption of the top tier powers that aren't actually representative of the American people just calling out the corruption and the money and the things that kind of get into politics. So I think that that was warranted too.

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But yeah, I, as I watched this happen, I just could not understand, and this is maybe so something for us to get into now is one of my points of confusion and continued confusion is that Donald Trump doesn't actually represent in any way conservative values of not even close <laugh>. And these are really, I think, valuable ideals. And again, this you, I am more left-leaning you I would say are pretty moderate slash depends on the issue, but the conservative ideals of family and respect and religion I actually think are really amazing ideals and he doesn't represent one of them well at all. And so to propel that conversation, I did go back and do some digging and I did come up with a few examples, factual examples, not propaganda examples of him just so not only not representing these ideals, but being the opposite of what the conservatives that I know in my life, what they value and what they make their decisions based off of.

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So for example, and this is what you said is I don't fault people for maybe voted voting for him in 2016 because maybe he would rise to the occasion as president. But for me, there was an instance right before the election that I was like, no, for me, I could see the exact kind of person who was gonna be in it was that hot mic thing <laugh> where he told a reporter in vulgar language that he had tried to seduce a married woman and that when you're a star you can do anything including grabbing women by the genitals. And he brags about this on and that, that's the thing is, that's so opposite to this is he was a married man as well at the time. And it's just so opposite to that ideal of family and loyalty and respect for women. I feel like conservative values really do have that and he doesn't have it at all. And above that, more than two dozen women have claimed that they've been sexually harassed or assaulted by him in the past.

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And his response to that hasn't ever been, well that's not true. He has denied some of the allegations and stuff. But really his response is, well, bill Clinton did that. Bill Clinton did this. And like you said, just kind of bringing everyone else into the mud and for some reason we're just accepting that. And I didn't like that. I was like, no, all of this is crap. It doesn't matter who it is that is doing it, it's horrible. And it doesn't actually represent again, that family value. And then on top of that, and this is something I'm really passionate about, is protection for children. And when he was involved with Miss Teen usa, um, a lot of them accused him of entering the dressing rooms of the beauty pageant contestants. And in fact, he actually would brag, or at least he did brag in an interview on the Howard Stern show in 2005.

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He bragged saying he could get away with things like that because he owned the beauty pageants that the women and the girls were competing in. And so for example, miss Mariah Belato, she was a Miss Vermont teen usa, she is one of five women who mentioned an incident where he came in. She said, I remember putting my dress on really quick because I was like, oh my gosh, there was a man in here Trump. She recalled said something like, don't worry ladies, I've seen it all before. And she recalled talking to Ivanka, his daughter, about what had happened, who responded with, yeah, he does that. And the youngest contestant in there was 15 years old. And this is just completely inappropriate behavior for anyone, but especially someone who is going to represent the conservative ideals of protecting children and families and respecting girls and women.

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It's just gross. And then the last thing that I'll mention, well two things is again, his connection with Jeffrey Epstein. I will, again, full disclosure, he's not the only one. There's horrible people on left and that are associated with him, but he is one of those, and he even said that this is a quote from Trump about Jeffrey Epstein and he said, I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do. And many of them are on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life close and obviously this is someone who pleaded guilty to child prostitution and assault and rape. And anyway. And then the last one that I'll mention with this, sorry, this is so because it's the one thing that is just so confusing to me, but obviously in 2018 Donald Trump admitted to reimbursing his lawyer for $130,000 as payment towards porn star.

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And this would've happened that the sexual encounter between him and this porn star allegedly took place in 2006, four months after his wife gave birth to their son, which is just disgusting to me where I'm just, again, conservatives value, family trust, loyalty, this traditional unit. And that was just this trashed by this person. So I don't know what your thoughts are on it, but for me, I just don't understand if you're a conservative, at least pick someone that even tries to live up to any of these ideals that I think a lot of these really amazing conservative people base their whole life around us is respecting these things.

Sam (00:20:59):

Donald Trump is a horrible person and I think most conservative voters ignore all those horrible things that he does because for two reasons. One, they vote along party lines. So hey, as long as we get someone that's on our team in power, that means we're gonna be able to have more control and be able to pass laws and be able to have a more conservative country, which Donald Trump he did, he achieved that. He was able to nominate how many Supreme Court justices, three of nine. And that wasn't it just that he also, the lower level judges, apparently that was part of a huge plan. So they've also been able to do that. So they have Donald Trump, I would say, delivered on a lot of conservative winning. So that that's whether he lives a conservative life, absolutely not. He is just bad. He's a bad person. But if you're a conservative, you go, ultimately the end justifies the means. We got that guy and then look what we were able to do. And they ignore all that bad behavior because he quotes owns the lis, he goes there and he just brings them down to the mud with him, wrestles with him. And because he is so good at being down there, they don't know how to behave without that decorum. And so they look silly. They look silly when Donald Trump is saying random things that don't make any sense

Tayla (00:22:32):

Because how can you respond to that?

Sam (00:22:34):

It's very difficult. So I agree with you.

Tayla (00:22:38):

Yeah.

Sam (00:22:39):

If I was voting conservative, I would not vote Trump, in fact. So full disclosure, I didn't vote for Trump 2020, I voted for Joe Biden, very unin enthus enthusiastically. I was like, great, cool. I'm voting just basically because Donald Trump is so corrupt as a human being. That was literally my biggest motivator. I was like, well, I just would not feel good about myself if I voted for that. Not that I agreed with all the policies of Joe Bar. Right. So yeah, that's my thoughts of on him as a person. And it is very strange to me. It is very strange to me that conservatives can ignore just what a person he is to be able to justify winning.

Tayla (00:23:26):

Well, I'm gonna push on that a little because I can agree I would be able to agree with that if I didn't see just this absolute worship for him as a person from the same people that, so

Sam (00:23:38):

Like a cult, right?

Tayla (00:23:39):

Right. So if that would make sense, if I've, how we feel about Joe Biden, a lot of conservatives, I mean we don't even need to get into it cuz that's another whole complicated thing, but where it's just reluctant support because you're not a horrible person and you at least follow the rule of law and blah, blah, blah. So I would see that if that's how they were acting with Trump, where we're like, well, I mean just reluctantly, but that's not what I'm seeing. I'm not seeing people who are just ignoring these past or current atrocities and reluctantly following him because of his policies. No, there's worship for him as a person and I just don't understand if it's that he has done such a good job at convincing them that these facts are not facts, but facts don't need approval to be

Sam (00:24:36):

Facts. No. So we, what's that? What do people call it? We're in a post truth era where the conversation is just so noisy that it's hard for people to trust what is true. And so people are so divided along their opinions based on the media that they consume. In fact, we did a little experimenting just in the last few days. I really started to, on my Instagram reels, really engage with and spend more time with conservative media. And this evening I literally was three hour very for post was just something about gender identity or gay marriage or women in the workforce or something.

Tayla (00:25:24):

But from that, right lens

Sam (00:25:24):

Right, from the right lens. So it was very quickly, I, I'm now being put into this and I bet you that algorithm give me a few days of switching it back out. I could then get liberal stuff, <affirmative>, and then that's all I'd be consuming. But if that's something that I identify with, see I'm a more traditional person, white male, religious, and I s really feel like there's a lot of value in that lifestyle, which there is

Tayla (00:25:50):

A hundred percent

Sam (00:25:50):

I would be, that's only the media I'd be consuming. I wouldn't be getting the other media because my Facebook would do the same, my Instagram would be the same when I do Google searches. It would be the same when I do YouTube videos. Everything would be that way. And so when I would get some sort of differing opinion, it would seem outta place. So I really do feel like there's just so much noise right now that it's hard to know what is true. And so with Donald Trump, who is not attached to the truth,

Tayla (00:26:25):

No,

Sam (00:26:26):

He builds whatever narrative that he wants to build. And so I think because he's winning, he's done so much winning besides the lost election <laugh>,

Tayla (00:26:34):

Right? Where he just lost horribly.

Sam (00:26:38):

And I don't think he stands a chance this time around. I know we said that probably in 2016, so you never know. But he's running again and he, there's gonna be a cult following around him because as always, right? Because they see him as someone that's championing their values. And so they see him as this savior.

Tayla (00:27:01):

Which again, Is Beyond me, why do think that he is championing your values? Nothing about his background or even the way he currently talks or acts is actually championing those values. But I understand for some reason people have been diluted. Well,

Sam (00:27:16):

Think about religion in general. No, no. I'm going in a good place with this. So think of the prophets of old in the Old Testaments. Think of the disciples or the apostles. They were all broken individuals. So it's not uncommon in the Christian faith to see people that are imperfect, that have done bad things, that are used as a vessel for good. And so I think that there is this space that people have for disciples, apostles, prophets, where you would still follow these really imperfect people that have done really bad things.

Tayla (00:27:58):

But those people would typically admit to wrongdoing and make changes to amend. I mean

Sam (00:28:06):

Sure, The details, but

Tayla (00:28:08):

I get it. I it, and I get it in theory, but I just, that's one thing that I have a hard time watching people that I'm like, I know you really value your daughter, or I know that you have the utmost respect for your wife, especially as a mother of your children. I just do not understand

Sam (00:28:30):

They've consumed enough media to where the other side, which was again, I'm probably, this is a theme probably on our podcast, which is I get so frustrated that we have a two body system and everything is so divisive that this is part of the problem is that its teams. And if you're a conservative person and you view the other team as now the enemy, it's gone so extreme that we're not talking about a rather side with Russia than the Democrats. Have we lost our minds? And then we're seeing everyone that is believe that supports the Second Amendment as a gun nuts or a violent person, which isn't necessarily true, right? There's extremism on both sides. And I find that that's how we end up in this place, is that there's extrem as a

Tayla (00:29:19):

Polarization

Sam (00:29:20):

And it comes down to the media consume. And you're gonna be hearing these extreme examples of left wing ideals and people saying really crazy things, <affirmative>. And you're gonna hear these right wing people saying crazy things and you're just like, I can't associate with that group. And so they've have now picked aside and we've dividing ourselves it whole thing's. Stupid. It's

Tayla (00:29:42):

Stupid. Yeah, it is. And I do think it's something to be self aware of is that I think there's a general mistrust for mainstream media and that could be warranted. But I think people need to realize that what they're consuming on social media and stuff is also media that can also be tailored. And

Sam (00:30:01):

Yeah, social media is way, you're right. Way worse. Way worse. Yeah. It's way worse because with general media, you're doing,

Tayla (00:30:08):

You're this vetted

Sam (00:30:10):

Ish, you're making the choice to go watch cnn, right? When you're not on your phone and you're just going through TikTok reels, Facebook, et cetera, you're literally having a tailor made curated content for yourself and it affects you, I promise you It does. It affects me. Affects me. Yeah. Literally, I like today, that's like this morning I was like, Hey, I'm getting a lot of these things like gender, what have I been doing recently that has been made the algorithm do that? And there's a discussion. I promise you, every day I check myself <affirmative>, it's, it's almost like a paranoia or an obsessive compulsion where I'm just constantly making sure, am I going down a weird rabbit hole recently on my beliefs or my views on anything? So it can't get exhausting <laugh>.

Tayla (00:30:56):

It is exhausting a hundred percent.

Sam (00:30:58):

We should just alternate it off and go back to the nineties. That's what we need to do.

Tayla (00:31:01):

Yeah, whoever represents you and your values or you feel like is championing, it's very difficult to, to look at that person or to admit to yourself that this is a bad person or they did these bad things, especially when there's someone that you respected or respect or admire or whatever. But as someone who has been abused by people, my, or a person in my family that was respected was, it's difficult to be like, I care about this person. I respect this person. And to admit that this other reality, this experience that you haven't had with this person that is so abusive and horrible could be real when your experience is so different, it's hard to do that. But I do think it's important to do it, to be like, okay, what are the facts that, whether it's my experience or not, is there enough evidence to support that this may be the case? And are my principles strong enough that I will put that above anything else? And again, I'm going to, I need to check myself on that too. But it is something that at least acknowledging facts and then making decision from there, it's important to do because especially when it comes to children, I think that their safety just has to come first.

Sam (00:32:26):

Yeah. It's hard because I feel like most politicians that get to this level are <affirmative>, egotistical, maniacs at on some level, psychopaths, something something's wrong with them.

Tayla (00:32:39):

Not all of them, not, that's what he's saying. But yeah, there's, the way that American Politic has been designed is almost,

Sam (00:32:50):

There's so much money,

Tayla (00:32:51):

There's not really another way to do it

Sam (00:32:52):

There's so much money involved and power involved that you're gonna get your hands, you're gonna become dirty on the way to the top. I bet you on some level. Yeah. So funny enough, so when I have had the chance to vote, I haven't voted based on with a Democrat or Republican <affirmative>. I've always tried to vote based on the person, which people have told me that's stupid. Because they're like, well then you, it's

Tayla (00:33:19):

A throwaway

Sam (00:33:19):

Vote, it's a throw. We voted whatever. But for me, just for my own conscience, I liked Bernie Sanders cuz he seemed the most, or the least dirty,

Tayla (00:33:29):

The most,

Sam (00:33:30):

I didn't even agree with

Tayla (00:33:31):

Most of what he,

Sam (00:33:32):

It was pretty extreme in terms of how social he wants the United States to be. It may not be a bad thing, but at the same time, it's not necessarily the way I envision it, but at least he seemed genuine and

Tayla (00:33:46):

Consistent

Sam (00:33:48):

As a human being. Yes. That's why I liked him. And I'm trying to think who on the right that I, those met Romney, which is funny enough cuz he is known to be a little slippery, but compared to the current pack, he seems like a saint at this point.

Tayla (00:34:07):

But not to Trump supporters.

Sam (00:34:10):

Not to Trump supporters, because Mitt Romney, he stood up to Donald Trump a few times.

Tayla (00:34:16):

Okay. So going on to another thing, and maybe you can speak to this one a little bit more too, is Donald Trump seems like he just makes himself the exception to every rule. There is an accountability behind him. Yeah,

Sam (00:34:35):

Absolutely. So here's the funny, okay, here's the funniest thing, which I don't know if it's a talent, a skill, a luck. I don't know what's going on, but he just seems like nothing can touch him. So during the, it's

Tayla (00:34:47):

Money

Sam (00:34:48):

<laugh>, I don't know. I don't if it's money. Cuz here's the things that, leading up to the primaries 2016, he said so many stupid things. I was like, well, that's it.

Tayla (00:35:00):

It, if anyone else had

Sam (00:35:00):

Said it, that's it for Trump. And then all of a sudden he would get someone else to drop out of the race and then he would gobble up some of their votes and they would then basically throw their support at him. He was like, well that was weird. That was really weird. Why? Why'd they do that? And then eventually becomes the nominee. And then you're like, well, Hillary's gonna just destroy him. And then as you got close and closer, I was like, this might swing, this might change. And then I remember coming home on the next night and going, huh?

Tayla (00:35:29):

We were watching it together.

Sam (00:35:30):

There it is. And just looking at it in shock, not because it was like, man, Donald Trump was such a bad human at that point in my mind, but I was just, the statistics and the trends did not point towards that at all. And then he would do something crazy in office a year down the road or something. He was like, oh, this is the end of Donald Trump. He's gonna get impeached here.

Tayla (00:35:52):

This is, yeah, this is

Sam (00:35:53):

The end. Oh yeah, he's definitely colluding with Russia. It's pretty obvious the Mueller report's gonna come out and then all of a sudden it comes out and you're like, oh yeah, it's pretty obvious that he is, but nothing happens. And you're just like, I'm confused.

Tayla (00:36:09):

It's really unsettling. It's really unsettling.

Sam (00:36:13):

And it Happened over and over and over again to where it's like, at this point it's just laughable. You're like, okay, can't you do, what's the joke I'm missing? What's the punchline? What is the string that's attaching everything that I'm missing? It's just an interesting phenomenon that Donald Trump is just able to not have anything stick Now there's still a bunch of stuff out there. He's still in, got the January six thing that he's still, yeah,

Tayla (00:36:41):

He's gonna be indicted to testify himself whether what he'll do or what he'll say, I don't know.

Sam (00:36:46):

And then he's also got the classified documents at MaraLago. Oh gosh. So there's still a few things out there that you're like, well, there's also a thing for the district of New York or whatever that fraud or something that is supposed to stick at some point. So he's done all these crazy illegal things and nothing has

Tayla (00:37:07):

Ever, everyone around him in jail, they are in jail.

Sam (00:37:12):

It's something over 20 of his close associates, the people that have not down the line, but literally work right next to Donald Trump or in

Tayla (00:37:20):

Jail. They're in prison <laugh>. Like,

Sam (00:37:25):

Seriously, I'm missing it. I I'm, what's the catch?

Tayla (00:37:27):

Well, I think part of it is the protections that US presidents have that Yeah. Weren't like the constitution was not prepared for, because no other president in the right mind would do stuff like this.

Sam (00:37:43):

No.

Tayla (00:37:43):

Or even get close to it so that they would need that protection. But

Sam (00:37:48):

For instance, leading up to the election, he doesn't release his tax returns after he said it like 50 times.

Tayla (00:37:55):

And he promised in 2015, he pledged that he would release his tax returns every other nominee has done since the seventies. And then he says he later refused to do so. He said that it was because he was under a routine audit by the irs, but there was no legal bar for him releasing that. That had nothing to do with the audit. And then in January, 2017, as soon as he's inaugurated, they release an announcement that says he has no intention of releasing those returns.

Sam (00:38:30):

Why? Because there's a whole lot of truth in those tax returns that you can't hide by just tweeting garbage. That's why the IRS knows, the IRS knows a lot of stories and there's gonna be, there's a lot of stories that those tax returns would tell that are absolutely goes against everything that he has proclaimed.

Tayla (00:38:50):

But even without that implication, he lied. He said, I will do this. And he did not do it.

Sam (00:38:59):

So that's why he won't ever testify, actually go into court probably.

Tayla (00:39:02):

No, he'll plea the fifth every time.

Sam (00:39:03):

Well, yeah, because he also can't help himself from lying. And so that's actually what the impeachment of Bill Clinton was for lying <affirmative>

Tayla (00:39:11):

Lying under oath.

Sam (00:39:12):

So it's almost comical just where we at with Donald Trump at this point.

Tayla (00:39:22):

And yet the news of last week

Sam (00:39:26):

And drug dealers, that was quite the shocker. I didn't see that one coming.

Tayla (00:39:29):

<laugh>. Yeah. I played the speech for you and I'm hearing him be like, we're gonna enforce the death penalty for any drug dealers. And I was like, whoa. What <laugh>? Well what about the rapists and the murderers? Why are we not mentioning them? Oh wait, this is maybe tongue in cheek.

Sam (00:39:48):

Yeah,

Tayla (00:39:48):

I don't know. But I'm like, that's extreme. Very, I mean, but that's what he has to do. He has to continue to be more and more extreme to speak to the extreme people that are in this extreme base. And it's not everyone. And I think there are a lot of not extreme people that are supportive of him or will vote for him. But I just think that has to be, in my mind, it has to be because they are moving past, looking past these other things.

Sam (00:40:17):

So we saw kind of an interesting thing here in Utah 2016 when we had the vote, Donald Trump didn't do as well as in Utah, other conservative states because an independent ran and basically people were voting with their conscience. They were like, I can't sports guy. But that has changed over the last four years a completely, dramatically, dramatically. And it goes back to what I was saying, it comes down to he actually delivered on a lot of conservative wins. And so they see him as someone that's, is championing the conservative cause.

Tayla (00:40:54):

Yeah, this is what I don't like about it is because now a lot of the negative things that he is and stands for is associated with conservative thought that is not actually accurate.

Sam (00:41:08):

Yeah, I agree.

Tayla (00:41:08):

He does have a track record of racist behavior and communication. And now that's being associated with conservative thought when actually, if you get down to the real base of a lot of conservative beliefs as Christians is that that there is no tolerance for racism. I believe in Christianity. There shouldn't be there because of us of that belief that God loves all of his children. But he has that track record, the Muslim ban that happened as he became the president and him

Sam (00:41:43):

Shithole countries

Tayla (00:41:44):

Exactly like him <laugh> his comments about the zero tolerance immigration policy and separating illegal immigrant children from their parents. That was hard and horrible and disgusting. Chinese virus jargon, just constantly calling it kungfu, stuff like that. Let's see. Yeah, you mentioned the shithole countries and then he tweeted a lot about women of color in Congress and told them to go back to their countries. But three of the four women that he had mentioned were American born women. Yeah. I actually didn't know this, but the very first time Trump appeared in the pages of the New York Times was back in the 1970s because the US Department of Justice sued him for racial discrimination. Oh yeah. That's the very first time that he showed up in the New York Times. So it's a long track record of racism. Yeah, I

Sam (00:42:49):

Know for sure a racist. But on the flip side, again, I'm trying to <laugh> create some color narrative to this, which is if you have conservative values and you are a business owner, he was good. He was good, he was good for the country, he was good for you and your demographic. He was trying to keep all those taxes lower. He was artificially putting pressure on the federal reserve to keep rates down so the stock market was red hot. So during those times, it's good money to be made. People feel like a strong economy means a strong America. So I'm just saying that again, Donald Trump, the person, horrible. But in the eyes of a lot of conservative voters, they go, Donald Trump, the president, he's doing a good job for me, the stunned silence.

Tayla (00:43:46):

And that's the thing is I do understand that if you are that demographic of people, that things are going well for you. I can understand being happy about that. But is it really at that cost that okay, so this person can do and say whatever the hell they want. They can disrespect the office, they can disrespect the country, they can disrespect the law that we live under <affirmative> that people die and fight in to protect as long as,

Sam (00:44:19):

So

Tayla (00:44:19):

The economy's doing well and I have my job and I'm represented.

Sam (00:44:23):

I don't personally agree with him. So my personal opinion is obviously that's why I didn't vote for him. So I don't, but it's just really trying to understand people that do and trying to view it from a place of understanding rather than a place of judgment. <laugh>

Tayla (00:44:40):

Trying to do that too,

Sam (00:44:42):

Because I was saying again, a lot of people really do subscribe to the end justifies the means Wait, no, the means justifies the end. Wait,

Tayla (00:44:58):

The end justifies the means.

Sam (00:44:59):

Yeah, the end justifies the means. So they're seeing that even though again, it's this bad person does all these bad things, he's a liar, he's a racist, he's a woman as a, he's sexist, he's all these horrible things. He's a collude with our enemies, but the end result is this type of America, they're happy. I don't agree with that. No, but I'm just trying to let you know that that's a lot of I, and I could be wrong, but that's just from what I've heard from people that still support Donald Trump, is that sort of conversation. Now there's obviously the cultists and the people that are just so nuts on the internet and they're so loud and they're so much everywhere. They're,

Tayla (00:45:47):

It's not representative of most people. And I think that's what I was gonna say though, is my conservative friends and the people that I know personally that are conservative, don't believe that the end justifies the means. That's why they're, they're things like pro life, you know what I mean? And so I guess I'm not even expecting or asking or wanting people to vote against their values. I'm just saying pick someone else. Pick someone who actually embodies the values that you value that actually not only represents them, but will defend them and live them politically as well as personally, not someone perfect, cuz it's not gonna happen, especially with the current way that money and politics work, but just someone else.

Sam (00:46:36):

So yeah, obviously during the primary, that's the main thing. But once they've got a candidate you have, they'll support their candidate for the most part, I'd say the majority of the, and it shows in the polls and it shows in the election results going to support the head of their team. Doesn't matter how bad a person

Tayla (00:46:55):

He is. And that's why I'm doing this episode now to our huge audience of five <laugh>, no is to think about that as we get into the beginning of this election cycle and into these primary things. Think about that is this isn't your only option. It's, it's far from your only option of someone who can represent your values and do a good job for you as a conservative person.

Sam (00:47:23):

And I've heard this literally in conversations. So something will be brought up about Donald Trump or something and then all of a sudden the response back is, well Joe Biden sniffs little girl's hair. And so instead of addressing that one problem, it's always pointing a finger back at the other side and some sort of equivalent that happens that will continue to happen if we continue to have me this curated media pushed on us. Did you hear what happened with Twitter, Japan? I think I was mentioning this and so everyone's aware, I'm gonna say this so wrong, so look it up yourself. But Twitter, Japan stopped having curated contents be basically being pushed to whether it was algorithm, whether it was bots or whatever it was that Twitter was doing behind the scenes. And the stuff that was trending dramatically shifted very quickly within that week from politics up here. The top things that were always trending, politics as politics that, and it just changed immediately.

Tayla (00:48:27):

Pop culture

Sam (00:48:27):

Pop culture. It was manga and it was enemy and it was boy bands and it was that sort of stuff because that's what we actually really care about. And I'm not saying boy bands and pop culture is great.

Tayla (00:48:38):

No, but unifying things like that

Sam (00:48:40):

But that's a more natural thing. We are constantly having garbage politics shoved down our throats and trying to have an opinion forced on us. So the best thing people can do is honestly check yourself in the media that you're consuming one. And then two, if you can get off of it, just disconnect and try consume news and media away from these curated social media platforms.

Tayla (00:49:05):

Yeah, I think that's good advice. But it's hard to follow because it's so rampant that you feel out of the loop if you're not on it. And that it brings another part of feeling unsettled because you just, you're like, is this really much better? Is that, I just dunno anything mean? Obviously ultimately it probably is better, but it doesn't feel better. It doesn't feel like, oh, I'm an informed, educated person who doesn't know what the hell anyone's talking about anything anymore. But no, and I agree with the, it's almost like a, there's a bait and switch with these conversations of, hey, this person is a rapist or a pedophile. They're like, well, but what about this person? And I'm like, yeah, yes. But that doesn't take away this one, as you said, I think the conversations, how we have the conversations does need to change and I need to check myself on that because when people do bring up people that represent more my ideals or things like that, I need to make sure to when things are brought up that are not appropriate and can't be supported to just be like, that's true. Yeah. It's not acceptable. Instead of being like, but

Sam (00:50:24):

Yeah,

Tayla (00:50:26):

I do need to be better with that myself if I expect that of other people.

Sam (00:50:29):

So there's a great South Park episode that you have to watch and all our many, many listeners should also listen to watch. Sorry,

Tayla (00:50:39):

It's a podcast.

Sam (00:50:40):

It's a podcast. No. So yeah, it's a South park episode. It's an old one. Basically I'm see if we can post a link in social media later, but it's the one where there's an election between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. So basically it's symbolic. Our presidential elections of the United States where they're both horrible choices. They're not good choices. <laugh> both not good choices, but somehow the people divide,

Tayla (00:51:09):

That's the options.

Sam (00:51:10):

Divide themselves into the two groups and mark each other for voting for a turd sandwich or for a giant douche. There been where we are today and where we were I think 20 years ago when this episode came out. It's frustrating that that's our options.

Tayla (00:51:28):

And I think I need to check myself as well to be like am, I mean, I will point out a turd sandwich or whatever, but I do need to make sure that I'm not also then just in my own giant douche idiot as well. Right, exactly. And I think just calling both for what they are and expecting better. But that's the thing is we do expect better. But you have to have your actions support that expectation. I think everyone wants better. Everyone minus the small, crazy on both sides people, everyone expects better and wants better from the government, from politics, from politicians and people that represent us, but we have to hold them accountable. That's the way it's designed. It has to be us that does it. It starts with our social interactions and it trickles down into actually freaking voting and caring about what you're voting for and researching and making sure that your values are what is being supported, not just the rules that you've been told to play by that don't need to be the rules.

Sam (00:52:33):

I agree.

Tayla (00:52:34):

So the last thing I wanna talk about, and this is the biggest concern I have when it comes to this sky running again, is the threat to democracy. And that comes down to the really huge insurrection. And I do think for people who haven't looked that much into, I am gonna go, I did a bit of research on this, I'm just gonna give a bit of background on some facts and things and then maybe I would love just your reaction to it if that's okay. So why this was so important is because one of the critical elements of a democracy is a free and fair election and then a peaceful transfer of power critical to any democracy. And the insurrection of January 6th, along with a very bipartisan investigation and hearing into his involve, Trump's involvement and instigation of that attempt to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power have very clearly shown that Trump is committed to his own power and goals over those of democracy and the will and the wellbeing of people.

(00:53:35):

And he will throw anyone under the bus and use anyone that he wants to get what he wants. So here are some quotes from the January 6th hearings that show evidence that Trump not only knew that the election was fairly lost by him despite his rhetoric around it, but that he was willing to put democracy and American lives at risk to keep his position despite knowing that. So again, these are quotes from the hearings that were bipartisan and these are based on testimony under penalty of perjury and a lot of factual evidence as well, video footage, et cetera. So here are a couple of quotes from these are, I'll mention a couple of names that people would know, but they're from cabinet members, members of staff that were with him, et cetera, et cetera. So Trump called for people to stop counting votes when he realized he would not be victorious as he anticipated. He made a plan to stay in office before election day.

(00:54:35):

Trump knew the truth, but he made the decision to ignore everyone and pursue a completely illegal effort to ignore the rule of law and stay in power. Trump himself said, I just need to find 11,780 votes. I only need 11,000 votes. Give me a indicating that it's close, just find them somewhere. Another says, Trump knew the crowd was armed and he sent them to the capital. There's no scenario where that action is benign and it cannot be justified on any basis for any reason. He was told about the violence at the capital at 1:20 PM but he sat in the White House dining room watching it on TV until well after 4:00 PM He refused every request for his help. Mitch McConnell himself said it was obvious that Mr. Trump was the only one who could end this. The president did not act swiftly, he did not do his job.

(00:55:37):

He did not take steps to make sure federal law could be faithfully executed and order restored. Virtually everyone begged him to announce the violence, but he wouldn't close. So there's countless other facts and testimony from that day that show that he elicited this truness act towar democracy and that he didn't take steps to dismantle the insurrection that he had stirred up himself. Everyone close to him, including his vice president, knew and told him that his actions were illegal and wrong, but he went ahead anyway. And so for me, above all, America is about democracy and about the people and about free and fair elections and everything about it that is so special. The fact that he doesn't care about it and that the evidence shows that he doesn't care about, it's not just propaganda, it's facts.

Sam (00:56:27):

Oh yeah.

Tayla (00:56:28):

It's just like, do not do this again. Do not open up even the question of democracy to be threatened in this way again, because that democracy above anything, above any party, above any ideal democracy first, I think. Because that is the only way that we can each live according to our conscience.

Sam (00:56:49):

Yeah, no, exactly. So I 100% agree with the push to not vote for Donald Trump this time round. And it's also bizarre to me again that he's not for to testify under oath and face any sort of criminal charges based on all his behavior. You're talking about the insurrection. It reminded me cuz I was watching that laugh and it was so bizarre to have bad and denounced it. And he was calling upon Donald Trump, like publicly. He was calling Donald Trump to speak to the people and tell him to leave and blah, blah, blah. And when Donald Trump finally spoke, when Donald Trump finally spoke, one of the first things he says to the insurrectionists that he loves them. That was bizarre.

Tayla (00:57:47):

It was super weird.

Sam (00:57:48):

It was so bizarre.

Tayla (00:57:50):

And these are people that, people died that day. People died, they were injured.

Sam (00:57:56):

So was a lot of, so I think obviously a lot of people were caught up in just the fact that stuff was going on

Tayla (00:58:01):

Mentality.

Sam (00:58:02):

They were just walking through the halls, what's going on? But there's definitely a lot of people there for violence. And those people have,

Tayla (00:58:11):

They're in jail

Sam (00:58:11):

They're in jail. There are people there with pipe bombs, there are people there with weapons, there are people there with zip ties to take hostages. There are people there that were making verbal threats about what they're wanting to do to the different politicians.

Tayla (00:58:24):

Well that's the thing is he knew that he saw them, they were there and he sent them to the Capitol

Sam (00:58:28):

He sent them to the capitol and then didn't at waited, waited

Tayla (00:58:35):

Hours

Sam (00:58:36):

To see if something would more would happen essentially before he told them to stop. Cuz he could have at any point, any point stopped it. He could have at any point called the National Guard word

Tayla (00:58:48):

Immediately. Well, even just one word. They were here for him. If he said, Hey, this is not right, there's another way to do this. We'll fight them in court. We'll do whatever. Go home. They would've done it.

Sam (00:58:58):

Yeah, absolutely. So Donald Trump doesn't believe in the rule of law, doesn't believe in democracy. And here's the scary part, to me, there's still a group of people that, and this is the cult people that support Trump level, which is they are happy to give up democracy because they believe that their champion would be in power. And it's so shortsighted cuz what

Tayla (00:59:23):

Every dictatorship starts this way.

Sam (00:59:26):

What? It's so shortsighted cuz they think, oh yeah, this guy, he's gonna come and make it a utopia for my ideals. How wrong and stupid you would be to think that that would happen.

Tayla (00:59:35):

Yeah, it's literally what I said was international politics and relations and the same regime. This starts the same way. There's someone charismatic that's different, that feels like people feel represented by that asks for power and asks for trust in order to provide them with what they think they want. And when they get that, you can't get it back. It's really difficult to get it back and it's never a good thing. So my plea, and this is really my hope in this episode, is actually not to speak to liberals or the left side, to speak to those conservative leading people and be like, just don't entertain this.

(01:00:23):

We don't have to talk that much about Joe Biden, but it shouldn't be difficult to beat him if you pick the right person. Is Joe Biden the most remarkable politician that everyone wants to rally behind? No, he isn't. The truth of it, his background and stuff we could get into, but it shouldn't be that hard to beat him with someone with conservative ideals and values. If you pick the right person, you are going to more likely achieve that by going with someone else that will protect democracy, that does respect the American ideals and the American rule of law. And my urge is, if you wanna win and have your values represented, go with someone that is more likely to succeed doing it. Because just the last election cycle, if Donald Trump goes through this again, he will lose by millions of popular votes again. Why? Because it's dangerous and it's not to be tolerated, but we'll still have to sit through. If we entertain this right now, we'll have to sit through a couple of years of really ugly, horrible interactions and danger as well until he loses what'll happen again if we entertain it. So right now, I think just try and that's my, please cut it off. Go find someone else, someone better. That represents the really amazing values that I know conservatives to have.

Sam (01:01:51):

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I can fully support that. The funny thing is, if you remember back in 2015, 2016, with Donald Trump winning <affirmative>, he got so much free air time through all the major news outlets, cnn, msnbc, Fox News, cbs, the whole gambit, everything. Everyone gave him so much air time because it was like a shock value. It was entertainment and so a

Tayla (01:02:19):

Train wreck

Sam (01:02:19):

Because of that, everyone just thought Trump in their heads all day every day, and it's why he gave momentum, and so it would be the same thing if everyone gets so caught up in like, Hey, what's Trump up to now? Let's just honestly just move on to move on from social media, move on for Donald Trump, get into a new era of politics.

Tayla (01:02:41):

And I hope to do that after we air this episode to just not, I hope to not ever talk about this ever again.

Sam (01:02:48):

This will be a secret aired podcast episode that only that 10 of you will hear

Tayla (01:02:53):

<laugh>. No, but for real, I do think it was important enough. Democracy in my mind was important enough to protect and obviously our interpersonal relationships that I thought it was relevant and worth talking about. But yeah, my hope would be that I'd never have to talk about this man ever again.

Sam (01:03:11):

All right, so I know what you guys have been waiting for. I should have done this earlier, but I pulled up the official, and Tayla, I just sent it to via Text, so you can see it. The official on Donald J. Trump presidential letterhead. It's got the seal <laugh>, it's post on Twitter, March 28th, 2022 statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th president of the United States of America.

Tayla (01:03:34):

Oh my word. So he's not even the president anymore when this happened?

Sam (01:03:37):

Post, yeah.

(01:03:40):

Okay, I'm gonna read it now. That's so funny. Are you ready? Okay. Yes. Many people are asking, so I'll give it to you now. It is 100% true. While playing with the legendary golfer, Ernie Els winner of four majors and approximately 72 other tournaments throughout the world, Jean Sawyers, I don't know, winner of the senior US Open, Ken Duke and Mike Goods, both excellent tour players are made a hole in one. It took place at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida on the seventh hole, which was playing 181 yards into a slight wind. I hit a five iron, which sailed magnificently into a rather strong wind with approximately five feet of cut, where upon it bounced twice in and then went clank into the hole. These great tour players noticed it before I

Tayla (01:04:25):

Did. It went clank. Sorry, go ahead.

Sam (01:04:27):

Yeah, these great tour players noticed before, before I did because their eyes are slightly better, but on that one hole, only their swings. Anyway, there's a lot of chatter about it, quite exciting, and people everywhere seem to be asking for the facts. Playing with that group of wonderful, talented players was a lot of fun. The match was Ernie and me with no strokes against Jean, Mike and Ken. I won't tell you who won because I am a very modest individual, and you will then say, I am bragging and I don't like people who brag. That's just the most Donald Trump thing.

Tayla (01:05:01):

Is that it? That's

Sam (01:05:02):

How it ends. That's how it ends. Yeah.

Tayla (01:05:06):

Oh my Gosh, there's so many.

Sam (01:05:09):

You don't have to. We don't have comment. Thank you very much for listening, everyone. This was Donald J. Trump, 45th president of the United States of America.

Sam (01:05:23):

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